Your driving experience of Porsche

MarlboroLights

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Can any Posrche owners share some of your winter driving experience regarding Boxster S or 911 Carrera Coupe?

I am considering purchasing a year 2000+ model and wondering whether you can really drive the car daily during winter.

Also, the avg. yearly cost of maintaining the car would be helpful.

Thanks in advance
ML
 

Goober Mcfly

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My Porsche performs very well in the snow. I've driven it through blizzard-like conditions with absolutely no.....


Ah, who am I kidding. I drive a Kia.
 

galt

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I do not own a Porche but have several friends that own various models amongst them including 911s, boxter s' and 944's. Every single one of them will tell you DO NOT repeat DO NOT drive them in winter. In the snow, they are disasters waiting to happen. All of my friends that own Porches park them for the winter months and have a second vehicle.

As far as maintenance costs go...a single word comes to mind....BRUTAL. the mid engine on the boxter means that, unless you have a hoist, most items are out of the question for your average do it yourselfer.

At the end of the day, Porches are great cars. Porches are fun cars but they have never been meant to be primary transportation.

Basic rule of thumb if you're concerned about the maintenace cost of any car (especially Porches, Ferraris etc.) and do not have a second car, you probably can't afford it.

I don't mean that to sound harsh Marlboro and it's not directed at you specifically, just a general comment

Oh and one more note Marlboro. Unless you have a perfect driving record, don't even think about it on the insurance front. The minute you buy a Porche, I promise you your insurance company will run a driver abstract on you so any traffic ticket (even those that didn't get you any points) will suddenly show up on your record and your rates will be adjusted accordingly (bastards)
 

danmand

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I had/have some friends who have/have had porsches. They all say, that the police have a fetish about porsches and love to ticket them. They use the expression "we get ticketed for speeding standing still".
 

Cinema Face

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My ex-brother in law had a 96 911 turbo. I've been out for a ride in this thing and and I have to say that it isn't a car, it's more like a low-flying-plane.

He had a great deal of problems with it. He also complained about the dealer's attitude. The dealers who sell specialty cars like Porsche know that people will buy them anyway. They don't have to give good customer service.

I've heard quality issues with the Boxster as well.

Also, with the 911 turbo there were drivability issues in the rain, never mind the snow. These cars are simply fair weather cars for people with lots of money to pour onto their cars.

I personaly like BMW's and I'd take the Z4 over the Boxster any day or the M3 over the Carrera.
 

danmand

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A 500SL can be driven in rain and snow, because it has an excellent traction control system. But even if it has pretty good specs, it is something quite different than a Porsche.
 
Porsche...there is no substitute.

I had several opportunities to test drive 3 different porsches.

One was my cousin's 80s 911 turbo.

The second one was my wealthy uncle's 928.

The third one was a Boxter S.

All I can say is when you drive one, you feel addicted to the machines. It is the ultimate race car. Driving one turns me on big time....almost as good as having sex with hot SPs!!

I agree with the CF point of view. The dealer doesn't have comparable customer services to say your average car dealers. Plus bear in mind that the Germans machines aren't exactly as reliable as the Japanese imports.

I didn't ask my cousin and my uncles the maintenance costs BUT both say sooner or later they will resale those porsches. They asked me whether I would be interested in their second-hand Porsche. I said thanks but no thanks.

Second-hand porsche are usually in worse shape than the brand new ones since many brand-new owners will push their "mistresses" to the limits, until they get tired of the same old porsche and decided to get another "mistress". The Porsche club usually organizes gatherings for the car owners to do the "racing" weekly in Barrie with their machines if I remember right.

Of course there may be some exceptions. I know some Porsche owners buy the porsche for showing his status rather than racing. You can tell when they choose the automatic or tiptronic transmission system.

Regarding handling and driving, I never even think of driving those machines in the snow. That's the worst idea since these machines are so powerful that it's hard to handle in extremely slippery weather. Plus you don't want to damage the chassis by driving salt-blanket snowy roads.

My cousin and my uncle never drive their Porsches during winter.

BTW, driving a Porsche to hit on the hot chicks outside the entertainment district or at Yorkville can be backfired cause many hot chicks do associate the Porsche owners to suffering SDS ;).
 

dragondick

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Marborolights,
I don't own a Porche.
However, keep this in mind that you have full control of the vehicle you drive, it is the SOB behind the steering wheel of the other vehicle that you have no control of.
This basically takes care of your mind set driving any vehicles, particularly the one which you love.
 

tboy

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Rain + Snow = death in a 911. I don't know about the newer ones but the basic design of the 911 (rear not mid engine) is that when you accelerate going into or out of a corner the weight is naturally transferred to the rear wheels (to increase traction). Unfortunately this unweights the front wheels which give you directional stability.

Driving a 911 turbo just increases this effect. If you are going to push the car you have to learn how to drive it safely. If anyone here is old enough to remember Kelly ... (damn can't remember his last name!) a goalie used to play for boston, he was out celebrating after a big win and was powering through a turn in an industrial area and drove the car straight into a concrete loading dock. This happened because he was accelerating too soon in the turn and the car was pushed straight instead of carving through the corner.

I looked into this in the 80's and the first service call on the 911 (and you have to do it less you void the warranty) was $2800.00 (compared to $120.00 for most N.A. cars).

You could also compare this to a ZR1 vette only figure the porsche parts would be double.

They are amazing cars if you have the bucks to maintain them but like everything else that is more than a little "special", you have to know how to drive them properly.

Reminds me of that old joke:

What's the difference between a nurse and a porsche?

Not just anyone can drive a porsche!! LOL
 

galt

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tboy said:
If anyone here is old enough to remember Kelly ... (damn can't remember his last name!) a goalie used to play for boston, he was out celebrating after a big win and was powering through a turn in an industrial area and drove the car straight into a concrete loading dock.
Per-Erik "Pelle" Lindbergh - Philadelphia Flyers

of course the fact that he was at twice the legal limit of alchhol in his blood may have had something to do with it too

PS...like the nurse comment too lol
 

MarlboroLights

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Thank you everybody.

I think the newer model of Porsche with the optional PSM (Porsche Stability Management system) + a right set of snow tires can actually make the car drivable all year round, whether you want salt/snow to potentially damage the body is, of course, another consideration, which I am not too worry about.

I came across 2 Canadian journalist reviews of 02' Boxster and 04' 911 turbo, both tested the car for a week in deep winter (so they said) and both said no problem and have many positive praises.

I think first hand experience will be helpful.

Best
 

xfactor

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I’ve owned a couple of Porsche’s, and for 2000+ 911’s (type 996), it’s best to get a car with PSM. It’s even better if you can spring for a Carrera 4 (where PSM is standard and of course is AWD). With snow tires the C4 is just as good as the Cayenne in not-to-deep snow…..more fun too. The 911 Turbo as a winter car is overkill.

911’s will always have a unique feel to them (and not necessarily user-friendly) since the engine is really at the wrong place (behind the rear axle), and IMO not as balanced as …say BMW M cars. The 996 masks this defiency more so than previous air-cooled versions.

Right now is probably the best time to buy a non-turbo 2000-2004 996, as prices are somewhat lower…and will depreciate noticeably than in past years since the all new retro-look 911 (type 997) is coming in the fall.

Keep in mind for non-turbo 2002-2004 911’s, the power was increased to 320 HP from 300 (with the option of bumping it to 345), and the stereo system was upgraded considerably. Plus Porsche performed some cosmetic changes to lessen it’s resemblance to it’s cheaper sibling the Boxster.
 

MRMARCUS

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I have noticed some used boxster's for sale in the high $30's.

How does the Porsche connisseurs feel about these cars.? Heck i would gladly take one.
 

Chinook

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I've got a 944 S2 that I've driven in the early winters a couple of times, no real problems. Older 911 will swap ends around pretty quick if you're not carefull. If it's your first Porsche look at a 944, still require steady maintainance but will cost you less than a 911. Stay away from 928 unless you've got deep repair pockets!
 
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