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dirtyharry555

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Well, in a perfect world, I guess saying "go away and don't come back" should be enough. Personally I would find somebody breaking into my home terrifying. You don't really know what you're dealing with. Somebody who's "normal" includes breaking in to someone's home can't really be considered normal. So what are you dealing with here? A polite request to leave should do the trick? What if they come back? How do I eliminate this threat? How much time do I have to weigh my options? If they are comfortable breaking in, how much of a stretch is it to think they might be comfortable inflicting personal injury on me to control their situation or eliminate me as a witness?
They would make sure to arm themselves with an illegal gun when they break into the next home.

It's how ghettos are created. One step at a time.
 

wiskey bravo

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It's terrible the spot light shifts towards the shooter. The law needs to be freshened. So I can break into a home with a gun, get caught, then decide to bail on the operation, start to run with the gun in my pocket, show no signs of using it, get shot, die and expect justice for me. If I had a gun with my back turned I can probably argue my way out of a crime because I was not facing forward. Justice at its finest. This is what it comes down too. What's next? Convincing the court I really didn't break into the house. I knocked on the door, I thought I heard someone say come in, so I opened the door to find an unlocked door with no one there. I thought there was a person in the house so I snooped around looking for that person just in case there were in trouble. f-ck that noise. Enough. What comes around goes around Old school style. If I break into a house I would expect to get killed by a person defending their territory. It goes with the nature of the job. If I robbed a bank I would expect to get killed as well. They planned to rob grandpa behind his back. They got caught. In return the universe gave her a bullet in her back. Tough love. Like Cops always say...one less criminal on the street. Do they really care? Probably not. I'm sure deep down inside, the ones who are involved in the case, would love to give grampa a high five.

As for the child.....she said she was pregnant right? Is that really true? I mean if I had a gun pointed towards me I would also say I'm pregnant.

I bet if i broke into someone's backyard, took a swim in their pool, tripped on a rake that was left out, suffered a broken back, sued the family, I would win because the rake wasn't properly stored.
 

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Yes. They were unarmed and running away from him. The threat was over and I doubt he had any concerns other than punishing them. Why stop there - he could feel the surviving family could be a risk and kill them. There has to be a limit. I am not suggesting the old man suffer jail time - he didn't plan this. Even if it's involuntary manslaughter - he should be charged and the sentence if convicted - adjusted to circumstances. I believe we should never suspend the law, just apply it as fairly to the circumstances as possible.

BTW: I'm not sympathetic to the plight of burglars. I don't want them to go unpunished. I just don't feel that it is a capital offence as determined by a pissed off vigilante. I also realize that as I discuss this topic with you - I don't know how I would react under the same circumstances.

There has to be a limit.
So for those that are cool with shooting people in the back while running away. When do you lower the fun…sorry gun.
5 yards?
15 yards?
50 yards?
100 yards?
1,000 yards?
 

wiskey bravo

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If I saw this I know I would of been locked up forever. At some point if I had a metal pipe I would be expected to stop hitting the criminal right? This dude deserves to be brain dead forever. Poor girl will never NEVER feel safe again. She will live with this trauma for the rest of her life and buddy gets to walk away looking for his next victim. I know the cases are different, however, a criminal is a criminal. This bothers me so much. Imagine if that was one of our daughters. No forgiveness.

 

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The mind of an 80 year old and fears are very very different from younger folks. I have years of experience with them, and fear is a real factor , especially when they have been abused in the past and due to their age.

one can never tell how terrified they feel with nightly noise etc, especially when living alone or being alone.

Self defence, in my opinion, you take your chances, and suffer the consequences in attempting to rob anyone especially someone that age .
 

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The mind of an 80 year old and fears are very very different from younger folks. I have years of experience with them, and fear is a real factor , especially when they have been abused in the past and due to their age.

one can never tell how terrified they feel with nightly noise etc, especially when living alone or being alone.

Self defence, in my opinion, you take your chances, and suffer the consequences in attempting to rob anyone especially someone that age .
Yes age will factor into it. I’m assuming you and others that are cool with shooting people in back that are running away.

Are not 80 years old and are afraid of pregnant females
 

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Yes age will factor into it. I’m assuming you and others that are cool with shooting people in back that are running away.

Are not 80 years old and are afraid of pregnant females
Only a simple minded person, provides such a generic statement like the last sentence, a “god”sentence that supposedly makes their opinion bullet proof.
 

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Only a simple minded person, provides such a generic statement like the last sentence, a “god”sentence that supposedly makes their opinion bullet proof.
You brought age factors into it. And yes they factor into it. As does size, strength sex.

“Self defence, in my opinion, you take your chances, and suffer the consequences in attempting to rob anyone especially someone that age .”

So afraid of things that go bump in the night and pregnant girls are you?
 

wiskey bravo

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Yes age will factor into it. I’m assuming you and others that are cool with shooting people in back that are running away.

Are not 80 years old and are afraid of pregnant females
So.....if the women stopped, turned 180 degrees, then received the bullet, it would be okay? Would the results be any different? Didn't they pin grampa to the ground? Anyone who tries to touch an elderly of that age is disgusting. People who try to hurt grandparents cannot be taken lightly. The super innocent cant be touch which includes kids, grandparents and our pets. But hey he's such a coward for shooting her in the back. He's probably not the fastest runner. If she turned around perhaps it would of impacted her brain. Then what? He gets slammed for shooting her head. If my grandmother suffered a fall she would most likely be dead. All becasue someone is too lazy to make money by earning it. Instead they rather steal it. i don't understand this whole shooting someone in the back. Is this a principal thing? If I need to defend my home I'll tackle whatever body part that's closest to me. I wont stop mid-way and say " neh I cant touch their neck. That would be a form of disrespect". If I was in bed, pretending to sleep while I was getting robbed and saw an opportunity to strike the thief from behind with a bat I would. Does this make me a bad person? A bat can easily kill someone too. Or should I give them a fair chance and wait until we are face to face?

Nothing would of happened if the thieves kept their nose clean. But they didn't. Meant to be.
 

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What are the stats of a home being robbed a second time by the same people?
At least one. Ask me how I know.

First time they took a boombox [mid 90s] and for some reason nothing else, left the window open. Next time they went after what was left of my sparse possessions as well as other apartments in the area. Joys of living on the ground floor. Entered via smashing the front window on busy Victoria street in Hamilton, although there were some trees in front.

If I had powers, they would be tortured and killed. Bit disappointed, I was told the covid vaccine would fuck with my DNA, but alas no superpowers.
 
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So.....if the women stopped, turned 180 degrees, then received the bullet, it would be okay? Would the results be any different? Didn't they pin grampa to the ground? Anyone who tries to touch an elderly of that age is disgusting. People who try to hurt grandparents cannot be taken lightly. The super innocent cant be touch which includes kids, grandparents and our pets. But hey he's such a coward for shooting her in the back. He's probably not the fastest runner. If she turned around perhaps it would of impacted her brain. Then what? He gets slammed for shooting her head. If my grandmother suffered a fall she would most likely be dead. All becasue someone is too lazy to make money by earning it. Instead they rather steal it. i don't understand this whole shooting someone in the back. Is this a principal thing? If I need to defend my home I'll tackle whatever body part that's closest to me. I wont stop mid-way and say " neh I cant touch their neck. That would be a form of disrespect". If I was in bed, pretending to sleep while I was getting robbed and saw an opportunity to strike the thief from behind with a bat I would. Does this make me a bad person? A bat can easily kill someone too. Or should I give them a fair chance and wait until we are face to face?

Nothing would of happened if the thieves kept their nose clean. But they didn't. Meant to be.
All I can say is.
it’s going to depend on things. Shooting someone in the back….that’s running away.

His age works in his favour but beyond that..
 

dirtyharry555

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i don't understand this whole shooting someone in the back. Is this a principal thing? If I need to defend my home I'll tackle whatever body part that's closest to me. I wont stop mid-way and say " neh I cant touch their neck. That would be a form of disrespect".
Correct. The woman that got shot in the back should have been shot at point blank range in the back of the head, too, just to be sure.

You break into someone's house and threaten their life... you forfeit your own.
 
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All I can say is.
it’s going to depend on things. Shooting someone in the back….that’s running away.

His age works in his favour but beyond that..
It's called " a parting shot". It's a way of bidding somebody adieu. And don't come back! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
 
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