Yemen is preparing a large-scale offensive against Houthi rebels: 80,000 troops are involved

[Frankfooter]

You're the one who claimed that using it means you are promoting Israeli viewpoints, Frank.

If you just meant basketcase in this one instance just fucking say that.

You're the one that stated this was about the media. I didn't specify, I merely responded to your attack.

Cool.
Then what the fuck are you trying to actually say?

That the zionists on this board try to conflate the two at their whim to score points in debate.
The same way you do later in this post.

OK, so you didn't mean what you said, you meant something else that was specifically about basketcase.
Then why bring the media into it?

I didn't, you did.

I love how whenever I question you on some random thing you said you get mad and saying I am playing prof.

YOU brought up the question "How long did the Saudi war last before this?"
You brought it up unprovoked.
Now you say that getting an answer to the question is "playing prof".

Why the fuck did you bring up the question if you didn't care about the answer?
If it was rhetorical question, what rhetorical point did you think you were accomplishing here that you immediately backed off from it and complained when someone engaged with your point?

You were the one that that claimed I had no idea about Yemen's history in this context. I made a general statement bringing up previous Saudi involvement. You want to continue this attack to claim that you have supremacy but I'm not interested in this debate being derailed.

LOL!
You're going to claim moral superiority to Airwars?
Amazing.

That's a zionist tactic like basketcase or shack would use. False dichotomy, you should know better.
I'd say that Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, ICC, ICJ, UN and EuroMed are superior in their reporting on human rights abuses and war crimes.
You just did an 'every accusation' tactic and assumed it was about 'moral' supremacy.

Do you honestly think airwars is pro bombing?

Do want me to go through the list of reports on bombings in Gaza on civilian targets that airwars has declared are 'fair'?
I assume this means that you also believe bombing schools, hospitals, medics, journalists, tents, women and children are also 'fair' in war.

Personally, I'll take the reports from Amnesty et al that have been deposited at the ICC and ICJ as parts of cases for war crimes charges for extermination and genocide.
I know this is as close as you'll get to actually discussing the Israeli genocide on this board, you won't debate it directly. Instead you'll try to attack me on these side threads as if that somehow makes support of genocide acceptable if you can score points elsewhere.

 

[Valcazar]

You're the one that stated this was about the media. I didn't specify, I merely responded to your attack.

You know what?
I'll accept that your post in 17 was ambiguous and that the "they" there meant "people in this forum" and not "the media".

That the zionists on this board try to conflate the two at their whim to score points in debate.
The same way you do later in this post.

LOL!!
Oh dear god.

You were the one that that claimed I had no idea about Yemen's history in this context. I made a general statement bringing up previous Saudi involvement. You want to continue this attack to claim that you have supremacy but I'm not interested in this debate being derailed.

So again, what was your rhetorical point there?

That's a zionist tactic like basketcase or shack would use. False dichotomy, you should know better.
I'd say that Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, ICC, ICJ, UN and EuroMed are superior in their reporting on human rights abuses and war crimes.
You just did an 'every accusation' tactic and assumed it was about 'moral' supremacy.

LOL!
Holy shit that's funny.
Just admit you don't know who airwars is.

Do want me to go through the list of reports on bombings in Gaza on civilian targets that airwars has declared are 'fair'?
I assume this means that you also believe bombing schools, hospitals, medics, journalists, tents, women and children are also 'fair' in war.

You would do yourself a favor to not assume things.
Or, even better, to read.
You don't know what airwars is.
A wise man might read the site a bit before jumping to conclusions.

Personally, I'll take the reports from Amnesty et al that have been deposited at the ICC and ICJ as parts of cases for war crimes charges for extermination and genocide.

That's fine.
Airwars doesn't do legal work.

 

[Frankfooter]

You know what?
I'll accept that your post in 17 was ambiguous and that the "they" there meant "people in this forum" and not "the media".

Thank you.

LOL!
Holy shit that's funny.
Just admit you don't know who airwars is.

I have admitted I don't know who they are. They are not cited, their reports not posted or quoted in the news or social media I check. They even say that their work isn't referenced much, only at the UNHRC and one paper at the University of Sydney. Why is that?

I'll also admit I made a mistake when reading their reports, they list 'Airwars civilian harm grading'. That read to me as their summary of whether the attack was considered 'fair or weak' but you have to read their methodology page to understand that they meant 'Airwars confidence in findings' instead of grading whether civilians were killed or it was considered a 'fair' military target.

Ok, so given my mistake, I'll accept their findings.
Which means you understand that both the US and Israel are killing civilians.

You would do yourself a favor to not assume things.
Or, even better, to read.
You don't know what airwars is.
A wise man might read the site a bit before jumping to conclusions.

I did read their reports, their poor labelling lead me to misunderstand them. You can blame that on me if you like.

That's fine.
Airwars doesn't do legal work.

Which is why its better in this debate to source Amnesty, HRW or other human rights organizations that do investigate war crimes.

The part of this debate that still surprises me is that for someone so steeped in the histories of governments, democracy and its theories you still are unwilling to believe that accepting support of fascist and racist actions in foreign policy would never have any impact on domestic policy. That for all your deep understanding of the history and theories you never seemed to worry about the blowback of making war crimes and targeting of minorities acceptable. That you have your own blind spot where you have very forcefully and clearly articulated how and why trump is destroying the US governance but never saw that as even slightly related to the domestic changes required to support the massive war crimes in Israel.

Once you saw Biden and Harris breaking international law you didn't seem to understand this as making backing war crimes, apartheid, fascism and genocide acceptable to the american public or that it would lead to harm to US democracy. That when you argue that apartheid and genocide are acceptable it destroys the idea of democracy.

What trump is doing is now just importing what the US thinks is acceptable in Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912103489125114253

 

[Valcazar]

I have admitted I don't know who they are. They are not cited, their reports not posted or quoted in the news or social media I check. They even say that their work isn't referenced much, only at the UNHRC and one paper at the University of Sydney. Why is that?

Because they are journalists, not activists.
They have proved remarkably un-useful for propaganda. Social media isn't super fond of them.

I'm curious where you get "They even say that their work isn't referenced much, only at the UNHRC and one paper at the University of Sydney."
I would think the fact they specifically highlight how useful their Gaza work has been would be the kind of thing you appreciate.

Citations

Major uses to Airwars' documentation from Gaza in legal, media and policy spheres

airwars.org

Of course, they used to get cited quite a bit on social media back in the Obama days, since "Obama is an evil drone warrior" was a narrative people wanted to push.
Once Trump took over, that wasn't useful anymore.

I'll also admit I made a mistake when reading their reports, they list 'Airwars civilian harm grading'. That read to me as their summary of whether the attack was considered 'fair or weak' but you have to read their methodology page to understand that they meant 'Airwars confidence in findings' instead of grading whether civilians were killed or it was considered a 'fair' military target.

It's almost like you shouldn't leap to conclusions about organization, just because you want to desperately prove that everyone is secretly supporting Israel and only you are morally pure.

Ok, so given my mistake, I'll accept their findings.
Which means you understand that both the US and Israel are killing civilians.

I did read their reports, their poor labelling lead me to misunderstand them. You can blame that on me if you like.

I will.
You didn't read shit.
You jumped to a conclusion to support your narrative because you are who you are.

The part of this debate that still surprises me is that for someone so steeped in the histories of governments, democracy and its theories you still are unwilling to believe that accepting support of fascist and racist actions in foreign policy would never have any impact on domestic policy. That for all your deep understanding of the history and theories you never seemed to worry about the blowback of making war crimes and targeting of minorities acceptable. That you have your own blind spot where you have very forcefully and clearly articulated how and why trump is destroying the US governance but never saw that as even slightly related to the domestic changes required to support the massive war crimes in Israel.

Of course this surprises you, your comprehension of things is fairly shallow.

Once you saw Biden and Harris breaking international law you didn't seem to understand this as making backing war crimes, apartheid, fascism and genocide acceptable to the american public or that it would lead to harm to US democracy. That when you argue that apartheid and genocide are acceptable it destroys the idea of democracy.

What trump is doing is now just importing what the US thinks is acceptable in Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912103489125114253

Exhibit A.

 

[Frankfooter]

Because they are journalists, not activists.
They have proved remarkably un-useful for propaganda. Social media isn't super fond of them.

You are accusing Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, the UN and others of being 'propaganda'?

I'm curious where you get "They even say that their work isn't referenced much, only at the UNHRC and one paper at the University of Sydney."
I would think the fact they specifically highlight how useful their Gaza work has been would be the kind of thing you appreciate.

Citations

Major uses to Airwars' documentation from Gaza in legal, media and policy spheres

airwars.org

Of course, they used to get cited quite a bit on social media back in the Obama days, since "Obama is an evil drone warrior" was a narrative people wanted to push.
Once Trump took over, that wasn't useful anymore.

this
(and this is the correct formatting for sources on this board)
In June 2023, at the Human Rights Council’s 53rd session, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) presented its report on the impact of casualty recording on the promotion and protection of human rights, which included a number of references to Airwars’ casualty recording efforts.

Our work has also been researched by academics at the University of Sydney, Heather Ford and Michael Richardson, in their paper: Framing data witnessing: Airwars and the production of authority in conflict monitoring. You can read an executive summary of their findings here.

It's almost like you shouldn't leap to conclusions about organization, just because you want to desperately prove that everyone is secretly supporting Israel and only you are morally pure.

You didn't read shit.
You jumped to a conclusion to support your narrative because you are who you are.

Of course you immediately understood 'civilian harm grading' to be about confidence levels and see no issue with this term.

Exhibit A.

Dismissal is your usual response when you are angry and called out.
Its clear when you can't defend an argument and when you can.

 

[Vinson]

The More Islamofascist terrorists are killed the better for the world.

Yemeni minister praises Trump’s anti-Houthi campaign, says they pave path for Yemeni state

In an exclusive interview with The Media Line, Yemeni Information Minister Moammar al-Eryani praised US President Donald Trump’s renewed military pressure on the Iran-backed Houthi group, describing it as a turning point in Yemen’s long-running conflict. As reported by Felice Friedson and Giorgia Valente, al-Eryani called recent US strikes a “necessary strategic step” to counter Iran’s regional ambitions and restore Yemen’s sovereignty.

Al-Eryani claimed the Houthis—who have controlled much of northern Yemen since 2014—pose a growing threat to international trade and regional security. He warned that Iran views Israel and the US as sequential targets, and asserted that Trump’s policy differs sharply from past administrations that, in his words, allowed Iranian proxies to expand unchecked.

The interview also addressed the Houthis’ censorship efforts after US airstrikes, growing internal dissent, and their missile threats against Israel, which al-Eryani dismissed as media theatrics. He described the group’s influence as a broader Iranian “terrorist scheme” with global implications.

On the economic front, al-Eryani welcomed new US sanctions targeting Houthi-controlled banks and urged businesses to cut ties with the group. He said restoring Yemen’s financial system is as critical as defeating the Houthis militarily.

Al-Eryani: Confronting Houthis Is Key to Regional and Global Security - The Media Line

In an exclusive interview with The Media Line, […]

themedialine.org

 

[Frankfooter]

I know you don't think brown people are worth anything but
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The Houthis only represent the Houthis, not all of Yemen. There are effectively 4 or 5 different Yemeni governments.

It's amazing but not surprising that you're happy to back a group simply because their flag says "Curse the Jews"

Oh great, you're back to hoping to create another failed state through bombing one people again.
As usual, you'd rather the US spend another $1 billion attacking Houthis rather than Israel just stop starving Gaza to death.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915040861215473766

 

[Frankfooter]

It is factual that the US is bombing Yemen because the Houthi targets are in part of Yemen.

I rest my case.

 

[Frankfooter]

Just because you're so obsessed that you view everything through the lens of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict doesn't mean the rest of us do. Wasn't long ago that you saw me post about some Ontario Sovereign Citizens types and immediately accused it of being Israeli propaganda.

Are you going to really claim that aren't posting here because Houthis are targeting Israeli shipping?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912954572919701869