Wynne Win

Butler1000

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Oh good! "Trust me, I won't tell you what I'm gonna do because if I did you wouldn't vote for me. But it'll be great!"

By our 'standards' <huge sarcasm alert>, "Let's just say I'll make the trains run on time†; don't you worry about picky incidentals," ranks as campaign genius. Good thing Tim had more integrity than your concept of democracy.
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†Younger TERBians may be more familiar with Godwin's Law than this once famous phrase I used in illustration. The idea that democracy is in anyway improved by secrecy, prevarication or misrepresentation is, and should be, totally repugnant. FWIW all historians seem to agree that the trainspotter's unmentionable buddy also kept his real program secret, campaigning and winning only on the 'sweet-nothings' as elmo seems to be advising.
I'm going to bookmark this quote for when Wynne tells the unions there is a payfreeze coming and the labour unrest starts. And when the attrition aand layoffs come up to balance the budget.

Also the new payroll and othe taxes. And Hydro rate increases.

And wait to see the defense.......
 

oldjones

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I'm going to bookmark this quote for when Wynne tells the unions there is a payfreeze coming and the labour unrest starts. And when the attrition aand layoffs come up to balance the budget.

Also the new payroll and othe taxes. And Hydro rate increases.

And wait to see the defense.......
Whatever the defence, it'll be smarter and play better than elmos version of Hudak's grade school 'F' arithmetic: That he was telling the truth and shouldn't have.

All pols lie, because none of us handle the truth well at all (of course I do, but I'm only one voter. OK, granted, but we're still just two votes). But encouraging them to lie and mis-represent, and blaming them for not doing a better job and more of it is no way to get better pols or better voters.

Tim foolishly ran on lying numbers, amateurishly polished into transparently exaggerated and improbable campaign slogans about hirings and firings. Lies or not, to voters that translated into 'same-old, same-old' even more badly than Horwath's self-interested 'if I don't jump now…'. And that cost us $10 or more per vote, stalled everything for weeks, and lost her and us the power of uncertainty that sometimes makes minority governments listen just a little better.

As a person Wynne is unusually good at listening and finding room for disparate and dissonant opinions that keep most folks mostly happy most of the time. Now that she has gotten all the other hands off the wheel, we'll see if she can also drive the bus on a straight route, get there on time and with a bit of gas in the tank. Thanks to Tim and Andrea's hard-lines and our decisions on Thursday that's all we can do.

Oh, and about that labour unrest: We call that bargaining. Us stolid northerners never got to watch it as a commonplace in the market, but that's all it is. That kind of argy-bargy and back and forth is what keeps successful democracies from breaking down into armed violence because there's no other option to get your share or your point across. Dialogue is only pretty when it's scripted, and as 'false' as actors on a stage in a theatre. Like elmo wanted for Tim.

The real answer to 'What Went Wrong?' was not enough dialogue. Not enough contending opinions, not voiced often enough.

F'rinstance, as some demand: With our roads, healthcare, transit, education, electrical grid and housing all in excellent shape; with no calls coming in to be answered, and nothing important left to be done, why not lay swivel servants off, cut revenues and most important cut my taxes, so I can get back to Bachelorette re-runs on TRVA24?

We'll see if Wynne has what it takes to come up with your answer.
 

Lovehobby

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To the teachers, Hudak and the PCs are Nazi Germany, (breaking Godwin's Law) the Liberals are the Soviet Union.

To Churchill you make a deal with the Reds to defeat the Nazis. You deal with the Reds later in longer more relaxed atmosphere.

The unions know full well they will be marching against Wynne very soon.

Austerity will make her unpopular and weakened. Then the ads start against her and the resources shift to the NDP unless she backs off.

To labour and allies taxes on wealthy, green taxes, the only way to reduce deficit and fund social and infrastructure needs.
 

JohnLarue

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To the teachers, Hudak and the PCs are Nazi Germany, (breaking Godwin's Law) the Liberals are the Soviet Union.

To Churchill you make a deal with the Reds to defeat the Nazis. You deal with the Reds later in longer more relaxed atmosphere.

The unions know full well they will be marching against Wynne very soon.

Austerity will make her unpopular and weakened. Then the ads start against her and the resources shift to the NDP unless she backs off.

To labour and allies taxes on wealthy, green taxes, the only way to reduce deficit and fund social and infrastructure needs.
The ravings of a commie lunatic
You are going to tax the rich (& the public with green taxes ) to the tune of $ 288 B +++++++ & you predict no negative economic consequences?

I would say it will be fun when it does not come to pass as you describe, however I will take no enjoyment from the pain that is in store for all people of Ont
 

Lovehobby

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Do you think red baiting and name calling work John. They just make you look like a bolwhard buffoon.

There would be zero consequences or the tiny consequences are easily worth it on a cost/benefit ratio.
 

FAST

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Wiggling away on the end of a hook,...

Do you think red baiting and name calling work John. They just make you look like a bolwhard buffoon.

There would be zero consequences or the tiny consequences are easily worth it on a cost/benefit ratio.
You keep on with the "red baiting" BS,...
But there really is no need for bait,...we already caught one.

FAST
 

Lovehobby

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You keep on with the "red baiting" BS,...
But there really is no need for bait,...we already caught one.

FAST
In serious circles where 3 digit IQs meet your comments are risible.
 

Lovehobby

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So how is it you know that this is the case?
Because intelligent people understand McCarthyism blacklists Dalton Trumbo Hollywood Red Scares etc but the profoundly ignorant still use Red baiting thus indicating the shallowness of their own arguments.
 

FAST

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In serious circles where 3 digit IQs meet your comments are risible.
I'm glad others, with obviously more intelligence than you,...enjoy having a good laugh at your expense,...

You were caught a long time ago,...very obvious what you are.

No more bait needed,...no matter how much you squirm around,...you are NOT getting off the hook,...commie.

FAST
 

Lovehobby

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I'm glad others, with obviously more intelligence than you,...enjoy having a good laugh at your expense,...

You were caught a long time ago,...very obvious what you are.

No more bait needed,...no matter how much you squirm around,...you are NOT getting off the hook,...commie.

FAST

You are a pathetic troll that is really really stupid but the joke is you dont know it.
 
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