If they play at all, I definitely don't see where he has any grounds for a fine. If they dress but don't play I can't see where the fine applies either. I think Stern is out to lunch on this one. I don't know if the Spurs can appeal but if they can my guess is the fine disappears.
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Who exactly would they appeal to? Stern is the big boss man, he has the final say on everything, if the commissioner gives out a fine he's the only one who can rescind it.If they play at all, I definitely don't see where he has any grounds for a fine. If they dress but don't play I can't see where the fine applies either. I think Stern is out to lunch on this one. I don't know if the Spurs can appeal but if they can my guess is the fine disappears.
I see a different solution to the problem: give the fans the option of a partial rebate in a situation like this.
The fans pay more money for a ticket to see a game with a high-caliber team like the Spurs. I think that if the coach decides to rest a bunch of star players for a particular game, the coach should advise the league as soon as possible. Then I think it should be open to the league, if they think the move was unfair, to allow fans to get a rebate from the regular ticket price. The league would then allocate that loss to the team that decided to rest the players.
So, for instance, if Miami is in Toronto and doesn't play Lebron and Wade, then fans should get a rebate so that the ticket costs as much as it would for say, a Toronto-Detroit game. Miami would then have to wear that loss, say by somehow compensating the Raptors for the difference in the ticket price.
That way, it's fair for everybody. Players get the rest they need. The team can decide if they want to risk the revenue loss. Fans can decide if they feel cheated, and if they do, they can seek out a rebate. The league doesn't look like the bad guy for imposing an arbitrary fine, instead, the league lets the fans decide if the team suffers a loss.
Probably for this particular Heat-Spurs game, the ticket price is high anyways, and fans might not even want a rebate. So I am guessing that the Spurs wouldn't have been risking too much financially.
The fans pay more money for a ticket to see a game with a high-caliber team like the Spurs. I think that if the coach decides to rest a bunch of star players for a particular game, the coach should advise the league as soon as possible. Then I think it should be open to the league, if they think the move was unfair, to allow fans to get a rebate from the regular ticket price. The league would then allocate that loss to the team that decided to rest the players.
So, for instance, if Miami is in Toronto and doesn't play Lebron and Wade, then fans should get a rebate so that the ticket costs as much as it would for say, a Toronto-Detroit game. Miami would then have to wear that loss, say by somehow compensating the Raptors for the difference in the ticket price.
That way, it's fair for everybody. Players get the rest they need. The team can decide if they want to risk the revenue loss. Fans can decide if they feel cheated, and if they do, they can seek out a rebate. The league doesn't look like the bad guy for imposing an arbitrary fine, instead, the league lets the fans decide if the team suffers a loss.
Probably for this particular Heat-Spurs game, the ticket price is high anyways, and fans might not even want a rebate. So I am guessing that the Spurs wouldn't have been risking too much financially.
That's a good solution, I'm seeing the Lakers on January 20th, if D'Antoni decides to rest Nash, Kobe, Howard and Gasol I'd be very pissed after paying $300+ and should get refunded the difference so that it equals seeing a game against the Pistons. Same thing if Spoelstra decides to sit Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Allen on the game I'm going to on March 17th. I didn't pay so much to see scrubs, I paid so much so I can see the best of the best go to work.I see a different solution to the problem: give the fans the option of a partial rebate in a situation like this.
The fans pay more money for a ticket to see a game with a high-caliber team like the Spurs. I think that if the coach decides to rest a bunch of star players for a particular game, the coach should advise the league as soon as possible. Then I think it should be open to the league, if they think the move was unfair, to allow fans to get a rebate from the regular ticket price. The league would then allocate that loss to the team that decided to rest the players.
So, for instance, if Miami is in Toronto and doesn't play Lebron and Wade, then fans should get a rebate so that the ticket costs as much as it would for say, Detroit. Miami would then have to wear that loss, say by somehow compensating the Raptors for the difference in the ticket price.
That way, it's fair for everybody. Players get the rest they need. The team can decide if they want to risk the revenue loss. Fans can decide if they feel cheated, and if they do, they can seek out a rebate. The league doesn't look like the bad guy for imposing an arbitrary fine, instead, the league lets the fans decide if the team suffers losses.
Probably for this particular Heat-Spurs game, the ticket price is high anyways, and fans might not even want a rebate. So I am guessing that the Spurs wouldn't have been risking too much financially.
A problem I see with this "solution" is, the visiting teams are the ones deleting the stars from their line ups amd the home team gets to pay the refund(s) as well as the costs incurred by the refunds. I really don't think the league or Stern give a damn about the fans!That's a good solution, I'm seeing the Lakers on January 20th, if D'Antoni decides to rest Nash, Kobe, Howard and Gasol I'd be very pissed after paying $300+ and should get refunded the difference so that it equals seeing a game against the Pistons. Same thing if Spoelstra decides to sit Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Allen on the game I'm going to on March 17th. I didn't pay so much to see scrubs, I paid so much so I can see the best of the best go to work.
The "problem" you refer to does not exist, if you refer back to my post.A problem I see with this "solution" is, the visiting teams are the ones deleting the stars from their line ups amd the home team gets to pay the refund(s) as well as the costs incurred by the refunds. I really don't think the league or Stern give a damn about the fans!
In my post, which JD was replying to, I said that the league, if it found that the decision to pull players was improper, would make the team that pulled players responsible for compensating the other team. So, if Miami comes to Toronto and pulls all their stars to rest them, the league could decide that the fans get a rebate and that Miami must compensate Toronto for the loss.
Your "what if" scenario, with teams routinely pulling star players, could happen right now, under the status quo, but it does not. It is unrealistic to think that star players will get routinely pulled if it hasn't already happened. Obviously, Pop has done this under extenuating circumstances, where his team has been on an exhausting and tightly scheduled road trip.What if you happen to have a team that's not doing well like the Raptors and it becomes common practice that any team with stars will rest their players when they come to your city? What happens if that goes on for 5 years or more while your team tries to get stronger? What's the incentive for season ticket holders to keep buying tickets unless they are true basketball maniacs?
Most important is that I think it would put a real downward pressure on overall ticket prices as going to a game would no longer be a "hot ticket".
I don't think team owners like MLSE would be too enthusiastic about that.
There will be no "downward pressure" on ticket sales now or later. The fact is, when Miami or the Lakers come to town, those tickets will sell out at inflated prices in a red-hot minute. Try buying tickets for those games right now. They are long sold out, maybe a few single seats left. That will not change. Your objections are unrealistic.
If you don't care about a rebate, that is fine, you would have the option of not bothering to claim it. Perhaps money is no object to you. But as you can see, others, like JD and I, would want the rebate. At least I could say that I got out and watched a basketball game at a fair price. Maybe you would be content to be angry, but really, you don't propose any kind of solution for anyone.
Create a schedule that makes sense and the problem would be all but eliminated...Bring your stars town and let them play limited minutes if you must, but at least have them there.
It's not just the games, it's the travel itself - the lack of proper rest, physiotherapy, nutrition, changing environment, etc., that comes from being on the road. Basketball is now a year-round sport - training camp, pre-season, 82 game regular season, playoffs, international play + staying in top shape all the time... the bodies of these athletes never gets the healing time they need in one of the more physically demanding sports around.
that is the solutionCreate a schedule that makes sense and the problem would be all but eliminated...
