WOW!! what a dickheaded cop!!!

[nottyboi]

I amazed at the utter lowlife nature of this guy...and he has a gun!!! :

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...icer-accused-retards-of-lawn-mower-theft?bn=1

 

[randygirl]

Wow! That is horrible. Poor kids. No one deserves treatment like that, and officers of the law should be held to high standards. If this is how the whole thing went down, I hope they win more than 25 grand.

That cop probably has a small penis.

 

[nottyboi]

What gets me is that he didn't file a report. Without it, he's kind of screwed.

I hope so, if he had this interaction (and the photos and trail of witnesses makes it pretty impossible to duck) and did not file a report, this has to be a gross violation of some kind... for the sake of the image of ALL our police officers, this jerk needs to be severely punished. Honestly, I really wish I could have more respect for cops, because we need them and they do a difficult job, but when they protect assholes like this guy, its really hard to not cast them in the same mould.

 

[rhuarc29]

What gets me is that he didn't file a report. Without it, he's kind of screwed.

With it, he'd be kind of screwed too.

Why would he do this? Could he really believe he'd come out of this without repercussions? Was he trying to commit career suicide?

 

[tboy]

Well, we only have the statement of the kids.....so take that with a grain of salt. If everyone on the street heard what the cop said, why weren't there statements? Oh, probably because the reporter might have gotten the whole story, not just the sob story.

For one, I appreciate the cop being suspicious of teens going down the street with what possibly could be stolen items. It is totally reasonable for him to confiscate it until someone could prove ownership, which, according to the statement, the cops did.

So, do we want cops that let anything the least big questionable to slip by? What if the kids DID steal the equipment? There'd be an article saying the cops stopped the theives and let them go. Once again, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I wouldn't blame the cop, I'd blame all the punks who steal people's property to make the cops suspicious of everyone.

I'd also like to know what area this was in. I know in my old 'hood I wouldn't get 2 blocks pushing a lawnmower before being stopped.

 

[Noir@heart]

The signs of the end times are all around us, etched in blood and fire by the left hand of god. You have but to open your eyes brother's and sister's...The truth is, the devil is here!

PS: I heard this somewhere.

 

[randygirl]

A report covers your ass. Just like when you are working in a hospital and are charting a patient. If and when something happens where the legality of an action or actions is questioned, that is your proof of what you did.

Without it, it's witness testimony that will decide the case. Which is not looking good for him.

In addition, it may be a violation of a professional nature not to file a report. In medicine, it is expected that your charting will be complete and up to date, and there are professional sanctions for those who fail in that duty. (Not sure about policing, but I'm thinking it would be the same.)

4tees: lmao, that's not a bad suggestion!

 

[Noir@heart]

Well, we only have the statement of the kids.....so take that with a grain of salt. If everyone on the street heard what the cop said, why weren't there statements? Oh, probably because the reporter might have gotten the whole story, not just the sob story.

For one, I appreciate the cop being suspicious of teens going down the street with what possibly could be stolen items. It is totally reasonable for him to confiscate it until someone could prove ownership, which, according to the statement, the cops did.

So, do we want cops that let anything the least big questionable to slip by? What if the kids DID steal the equipment? There'd be an article saying the cops stopped the theives and let them go. Once again, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I wouldn't blame the cop, I'd blame all the punks who steal people's property to make the cops suspicious of everyone.

I'd also like to know what area this was in. I know in my old 'hood I wouldn't get 2 blocks pushing a lawnmower before being stopped.

Are you suggesting that he was performing his duty when he used the loud speaker and called them "retards" and that he would be using the equipment for his personal use.

 

[rhuarc29]

It is totally reasonable for him to confiscate it until someone could prove ownership, which, according to the statement, the cops did.

He told the cop about their business (with proof) and told him his dad owned the equipment and that he was only a block away to prove it. It this case, I don't think it was reasonable at all. The cop even went to the client's house. Why would the kids steal a lawnmower to cut someone's lawn? Is this a huge conspiracy? lol Come on, are you really saying the cop was reasonable to confiscate the equipment with all the evidence suggesting it was NOT stolen? And the cop could have gotten proof of ownership if he wasn't such a douchebag.

 

[randygirl]

For one, I appreciate the cop being suspicious of teens going down the street with what possibly could be stolen items. It is totally reasonable for him to confiscate it until someone could prove ownership, which, according to the statement, the cops did.

tboy, in the story it says that when they finally dropped off the items at the father's house they did not ask for proof of ownership.

In addition, it's not just the fact that they were stopped. They were unreasonably stopped, detained and then insulted. When there was a simple solution, a block away... and the cop going to the person's house that they had just finished mowing...all evidence to the contrary that these items are stolen, so there was no reason for that cop to take the items. If I were the boys, I would sue the cop for also defaming my character, by going to my clients house and stating that I was using stolen property. The boy had fliers, receipts, yet the cop chooses to ignore all of the evidence, so he could give them more of a hard time?

This was much, much more than simply stopping a couple of kids with a lawnmower and asking them about it. This was abuse of power.

 

[topoon]

The issue here

Isn't that he stopped them and took the equipment from them. It was his treatment of the kid with torrets syndrome. Shame on that cop for calling the kid a retard. His treatment of them was pathetic. OUR taxes pay for their salaries, they are there to SERVE and PROTECT us, not TAUNT people or accuse them of stealing without any reason. That stupid pig should be pushing paper for a fuckin year, docked pay, and made to take courses on how to better deal with the public.

 

[rhuarc29]

A report covers your ass. Just like when you are working in a hospital and are charting a patient. If and when something happens where the legality of an action or actions is questioned, that is your proof of what you did.

Without it, it's witness testimony that will decide the case. Which is not looking good for him.

In addition, it may be a violation of a professional nature not to file a report. In medicine, it is expected that your charting will be complete and up to date, and there are professional sanctions for those who fail in that duty. (Not sure about policing, but I'm thinking it would be the same.)

4tees: lmao, that's not a bad suggestion!

Sure, it show's he acted unprofessionally and I'm sure he'll be rewarded for that. But why should a report written by he himself carry any more weight than his own testimony in court?

 

[randygirl]

Sure, it show's he acted unprofessionally and I'm sure he'll be rewarded for that. But why should a report written by he himself carry any more weight than his own testimony in court?

Which is exactly why it looks so bad that he can't produce a report. What a douche. Sad thing is, he'll probably be suspended with pay.

 

[Major Major]

Dont mind Tboy... he is clearly a blind defender of police antics no matter what they do.

I remember a thread way back when where a cop who was clearly in the wrong started pushing around and harrassing a couple of kids who were skate boarding...Tboy defended this cop all the way

 

[tboy]

1) do the police have to file a report when no crime has been committed? I don't believe so. In fact, their notes are often all the evidence they need to or not to file a report and are admissable as evidence in court (this goes for us too, our notes directly following an event are admissable as evidence).
2) The equipment was returned after the father (an adult) went to the police station
3) A cop who takes the word of a teen or kid shouldn't be on the force. PERIOD kids lie, cops know kids lie
4) A printout of a flyer proves nothing. I could print out a reasonable facsimile of a bachelor's degree but that doesn't mean I have one.

For some reason this reminds me of something as a kid. Either a buddy of mine or my brother cut lawns for spare money and I remember them having a letter from the parents with the serial number of the lawnmower on it giving them permission to have and use it. It was so long ago I can't remember if it was my older brother, one of his friends, or one of mine. That IMO carries a shitload more weight than a flyer......

As for the rest, the treatment of the kid with tourettes, again, that is all hearsay and we only have the kid's version to go by and as we all know: reporters report ONLY the truth......(yeah right, and I've got some land in florida to sell you!).

Topcon: really? give your head a shake. Cops are there to protect and serve EVERYONE not just a select few. Did the kid's have a right to have the equipment in their possession? How did he know? He was protecting the true owner of the equipment (which was NOT the kids). Did they have anything to prove that they were entitled to have the equipment? NO. Is it common to see kids pushing a lawnmower down the street? I haven't seen one in 20 yrs.

Again, what if the stuff WAS stolen? We'd be reading a story about how a stupid cop stopped the thieves and let them go.....then I assume, you'd be saying the same thing: dock his pay, put him on a desk until he learned his job......

 

[Major Major]

3) A cop who takes the word of a teen or kid shouldn't be on the force. PERIOD kids lie, cops know kids lie

...and cops dont lie right? ...they are not even human; they are androids who are infact programmed not to lie

PEOPLE...will lie from time to time Tboy. Nobody is saying that he has to take a kids word for everything he says. But i think this could have been handled without having to get on a loud speaker and call someone a retard when he has substantiated all of jackshit.

4) A printout of a flyer proves nothing. I could print out a reasonable facsimile of a bachelor's degree but that doesn't mean I have one.

A kid walking down the street in broad daylight with a lawn mower proves nothing too....but as I said earlier, if he was suspicious he could have handled this so much better.

As for the rest, the treatment of the kid with tourettes, again, that is all hearsay and we only have the kid's version to go by and as we all know: reporters report ONLY the truth......(yeah right, and I've got some land in florida to sell you!).

 

[reef]

the guy was doing his job... but was a giant fucking asshole about it.

OPP and YRP are full of these idiots who treat every little stop like a god damn drug bust.

I've been cussed at a few times and given this sort of huge "OH YOU ARE SOOO FUCKED NOW BUDDY" attitude when getting 15-20km over speeding tickets even.... mind you it's only when i've had a lady in the car (trying to look like a tough guy compared to me maybe?)

Just smile and nod... then sue the fuckers like this family.

 

[fuji]

1) do the police have to file a report when no crime has been committed?

They sure as hell have to file a report in any case where the confiscate goods from a member of the public!!!

2) The equipment was returned after the father (an adult) went to the police station

Equipment that the cop had no grounds to seize in the first place. The kids had adequate proof that they were engaged in a lawful business. He could have just taken down their ID and then known who to look for if lawn equipment was reported stolen.

This is absolutely chilling: I have all sorts of goods and equipment for which I no longer have receipts. Am I now to worry that any cop driving by might seize my stuff, and that I won't be able to get it back unless I can find the receipts?

3) A cop who takes the word of a teen or kid shouldn't be on the force. PERIOD kids lie, cops know kids lie

Which is different than assuming anyone you see walking by is a thief.

4) A printout of a flyer proves nothing. I could print out a reasonable facsimile of a bachelor's degree but that doesn't mean I have one.

It changes the odds though. The odds of someone planning a theft of lawn equipment so well in advance that they even have a flyer just in case the police ask for one? Not really very likely.

Did the kid's have a right to have the equipment in their possession? How did he know?

The proper question is, how did he know they DIDN'T? The police have to have probable cause for search OR seizure. They can't arbitrarily seize stuff and then ask you to prove it's yours.

Once again you prove your complete ignorance of the law, like that time a few threads back where you quoted from the Ontario Trespass Act and then claimed you were quoting Criminal Code.

 

[reef]

lol well it IS tboy..

 

[red]

Well, we only have the statement of the kids.....so take that with a grain of salt. If everyone on the street heard what the cop said, why weren't there statements? Oh, probably because the reporter might have gotten the whole story, not just the sob story.

For one, I appreciate the cop being suspicious of teens going down the street with what possibly could be stolen items. It is totally reasonable for him to confiscate it until someone could prove ownership, which, according to the statement, the cops did.

So, do we want cops that let anything the least big questionable to slip by? What if the kids DID steal the equipment? There'd be an article saying the cops stopped the theives and let them go. Once again, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I wouldn't blame the cop, I'd blame all the punks who steal people's property to make the cops suspicious of everyone.

I'd also like to know what area this was in. I know in my old 'hood I wouldn't get 2 blocks pushing a lawnmower before being stopped.

hey tboy is taking the cop's side. thats weird.