Would you be OK with cops wearing body cameras while on duty??

Would you be OK with cops wearing body cameras while on duty??


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Butchers Dog

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If someone can watch you walk down the street live or ride the subway (as crowds of people do everyday) then why can't someone watch the same activity later on tape? What is the difference? Eye witness versus video witness. No difference in my mind.

I say yes to Police videos. Besides, the police could use some policing themselves.

BD
 

buttercup

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I don't buy the " you have nothing to fear if you are not up to no good" argument generally.
No, neither do I.

The reasoning itself has no limits. "If you're not doing anything wrong, what's your objection to having policemen stationed in your living room, just for surveillance?"

I don't want people knowing my business, for the simple reason that I don't want people knowing my business. I don't want the police to know, I don't want the government to know, I don't want my neighbour to know, and I don't want my neightbour's 8yo kids to know. I don't give reasons. I just don't want other people to know my business. And I don't want them filming me.

When I'm out in public, I have no expectation of privacy. But I still don't want people filming me. Given that it's going to be done (which it is), at least I want it to be minimized. The people doing it should have to go before a magistrate, and justify it to the magistrate -- and the magistrate is like me, he doesn't want people filming him.

If you need reasons, no reasons I could give you will suffice.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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loss of freedom only if you're up to no good.

i say "why not" ... everyone these days seem to have a camera phone these days and record incidents happening around us.. No reason why cops can't use them too
A-Fucking-Men, bro!!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I am seriously concerned about the direction the conduct of the police has been headed. It is only because of the advent of easy video that this problem has been brought to light. Before, the cops would simply deny it happened
First thing they teach you in the police academy is: Deny.........Deny...........Deny!!

Now what exactly would they be denying??!! :p




Cop cameras are the way of the future. Get used to it, homeys!! :)
 

simon482

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My landlord? Do you know how condos work?You have missed the boat on that protest my friend!

Pretty much every incall condo, apartment and hotel has security cameras at the front door of the building, and maybe in the elevators. Your simplest cell phone is geo-located and tracked. Smartphones have gps in them too!

Having a cop with a small camera on his lapel will only record his interactions in a very limited immediate area. It will prove whether you or he threw the first punch. It may discourage both from doing so also!
yes i know how condo's work and yes i know you don't have a landlord. landlord or property manager same fucking thing basically. you really gonna give me shit for my word choice, you're better than that.

as for apartments and condo's having security camera's yup they do but they are not open to the public like street cams would most likely be. a scenario now would be like your wife looks up your phone location cuz she doesn't trust you, you can say glitch or you had to bypass for traffic or make up some easy excuse and she buys it cuz there is now proof. camera's on street corners, she ooks your phone up, then pulls up the camera and blam your busted and done. i am aware in public you have no right to privacy but how you gonna feel with someone looking over your shoulder all day every day. it starts with the lapel camera, then it moves on from there. you're a smart guy can't you see things being taken away from the public one little piece at a time and nothing is being done to stop it.
 

LKD

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I predict many cases of 'obstruction of justice and shitty evidence', whereby cops swallow memory drives or the entire mountable camera perhaps xD similar to that hang gliding instructor in BC recently
 

nottyboi

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It will be best for both. In the case of criminal behavior, the cops will have video evidence. I think as long as there are usage guidelines I am ok with it. There are unfortunately too many crooked and lying cops that makes the whole force untrustworthy. The better cops have only themselves to blame as they have tolerated and covered up for their colleagues for too long.
 
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Smash

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Depends on who will be editing the film:rolleyes:
I don't trust the cops at all. I think they will go to great lengths to cover up anything
 

Rockslinger

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Maybe it is a good idea for LE to have their own video. I heard that one of LE's major complaints with civilian videos is that they show only the aftermath (suspect dead on the pavement) and not the beginning when the criminal is lunging at the cop with a machete after 38 warnings.
 

homerjsimpson

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Done in 2 posts, because it is so long.**

Yes I've resurrected this old thread but in the hopes of enlightening some of you to how things work.

First, know that a person's freedom is one of the most valuable things they own. Your freedom to go places, say things, do things, want things, desire things, love things, all that is you and what you desire. It's all yours for the taking as long as you have the freedom to do so.

Take a brick wall. When there are no bricks in place, you have absolute, total freedom. Every brick that is placed in that wall is a tiny little loss of some freedom. Until the wall is bricked all the way to the top and there is zero freedom left anymore.

I have no idea what either of those absolutes looks like. But it doesn't matter. Total freedom is unachieveable and I don't know that anyone would actually want that. Not if we're to live together in a functional society. And I don't think anyone cares for total loss of freedom either. What would that look like? Something akin to a maximum security prison? I don't know. But I know that if you are a person in a prison like this, then your wants, needs, desires, etc, are completely immaterial to society. You are a cog in a machine that's sole purpose is to keep you being a cog in a machine. You exist just to exist, and everything you do is just to keep you existing.

But back to the example in this thread, video cameras on cops. It doesn't sound that bad actually, taken by itself. It's to help cops against criminals. It's to help the public against naughty cops. Only a criminal wouldn't want to be filmed. And you're not a criminal, so you must want this. Most people aren't criminals, so they should want it too. This is easy. You're not a criminal.

But who are you? Well as I said above, you are a collection of wants, needs, desires, etc. How do these things manifest themselves? Well, in everything you do. Where you go, what you do, who you talk to, what you buy, what you read, what you eat, etc. Pretend for a second that you journalized everything you do, every day. Would you be comfortable with sharing that with the world? Some people would. Maybe a lot of people.

All of what you do is data. It's information about you. If you could publish your journals for people to read, let's say for their enjoyment, a lot people might do that. Maybe a lot of people.

If society could play nicely with this data, then we could all publish our journals. Share our information with all. It might be fun. Heck, there are many bloggers that already do this. It might be theraputic.

Unfortunately, society does not, cannot, will not, place nice. You, me, and everyone else are one huge database of information to manipulate and control.

But why would they want to do this? Many reasons. Political and business reasons mostly. Doesn't sound too bad, though, does it. Except...

Back to the cameras on cops. Again, not so bad. Until they implement face recognition. And start tracking people's movements. But it's really just to track criminals, so it's all good. If a cop is walking down the street and his camera picks up someone on the other side of the street who has a warrant out for him, and alerts the cop, an easy bust. What's not to like? Another criminal off the street. Heck, we already have a mug-shot system in place, an easy interface.

Or maybe a burglary happens that is accidentally caught on a cop camera, but the cop doesn't notice. The computers put 2 x 2 together, figure out that the cop was in the right place at the right time, the video is reviewed, and voila, there is the criminal walking away.

Or maybe it's a kid playing hooky from school. Perfect. Get that little bugger back in school. Oh, but that would require getting pictures of all our kids into the mug-shot system. Maybe I don't like that idea. Woah, what's wrong with me? It's for our kid's safety! Only a criminal wouldn't want our kid's pictures in cop hands.

Oh, but I have another idea. Let's get store-owned video interfaced with cop systems! That way, if there is a robbery, the video automatically goes to the cops, mug-shots cross-referenced, warrant issued, ba-da-bing! Who wouldn't want that? Only criminals! It's for our safety!

But, dangit, cops don't have mug-shots for most people. Well, why not get pictures straight out of facebook! That's easy, just two computers talking to each other. 500 million people on facebook, what a gold-mine! Who wouldn't want that? Only criminals! It's for our safety!

But, dangit, facebook pictures are a mess. Rarely do we have any real good mug-shot-type photos. If only the cops had another way to trace our activities... oh, hold on. Smartphones! GPS's! Location-based services! Our phones know where we are all day long. A simple interface with Bell, Rogers, AT&T, and there we go. A complete map if our daily travels. The cops know that I left the house at 7:30am, hit the Tim Hortons, was at work all day, left at 4:56pm, stopped at the pub for a beer, went home for dinner, then went out that night to the mall, hit a few of my favourite stores, let's say The Gap, The Sony Store, then over to Home Depot, then home again.

Only criminals wouldn't want their location tracked. It's for our safety!
 

homerjsimpson

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Are we still all good so far?

Oops, you were speeding on the way home from Home Depot. Your GPS clocked you at 98kMh on Yonge St. in a 80kMh zone. A ticket is in the mail. Well, maybe we can interface directly with your bank and do an automatic withdrawl. Save you some time. It's easy to do. Who wouldn't want the police with access to your account? Only criminals of course!

Oh, and that nasty email you wrote to the police once you discovered the money was gone? Well, they know you were at work when you wrote it and that you should have been working. We took a picture of you with your webcam so we have lots of evidence. Also, your employer knows that you left work at 4:56pm the other day, 4 minutes early. Who leaves work 4 minutes early? Only criminals. Stop dodging work, you're making it bad for the rest of us.

And now Abercrombie & Fitch is calling, they want to know how you can be soooo stupid as to shop at The Gap. A&F has much better product selection and prices, and would like to make an appointment for you to come in.

Also, your doctor's office is calling, they're concerned about how much coffee you're drinking. Seems you've been hitting Tim Hortons daily for months. It's for your own safety.

And another kick: the bank is calling. Seems your credit card purchases are beyond your budget, or so the math in their system says, and you better curb your spending for the next little while. In fact, here is a list of stores that are similar to the ones that you normally shop at. Should save you some money. And here are a list of stores you frequest where you will no longer be allowed to use your credit card. You can't afford them.

And now the police are calling. Seems the search terms you've been using in google are highly inflamatory and do you have any ties to terrorist cells in your neighbourhood? No, well they'll be watching every step you take, everywhere you go, everything you buy, everything you look at, everyone you talk to... so keep it clean. I mean, what are you, a criminal?

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Every brick is such a small stone in the wall. Every brick just an innocent little piece. Hardly worth looking at. Every one of them is for our safety, for the public good. Only a criminal wouldn't want that brick there. At least, that's what we're told. And if you don't like the looks of that brick? Meh, it's just one brick. It's harmless.

And every brick is a threat to your freedom, whether you see it or not. Whether you believe it or not. Stop looking at bricks, and start seeing a wall.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
 

Aardvark154

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Phil C. McNasty are you OK with people on the street taking video of police interaction with the public? Or is this just a one-way street?
 

Anynym

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I voted "yes" on the poll with the proviso that all of the video be declared public property and open to public inspection as well as available under Freedom of Information and other similar requests, with the only limit being that faces may be blurred in the "public" copy while courts have access to the original and unadulterated footage.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Phil C. McNasty are you OK with people on the street taking video of police interaction with the public? Or is this just a one-way street?
I think both sides should be able to videotape each other on public land.

To borrow a favourite police line, if you done nothing wrong you got nothing to worry about ;)
But that goes for both sides, police and the public
 

blackrock13

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I voted "yes" on the poll with the proviso that all of the video be declared public property and open to public inspection as well as available under Freedom of Information and other similar requests, with the only limit being that faces may be blurred in the "public" copy while courts have access to the original and unadulterated footage.
Are you going to pay for the editing/blurring of the faces in the thousands of hours of video?
 
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