would you allow your son to loose his virginity to a SP?
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To V.J.---If you are on the level and not kidding us, you need to step back from your folks and think about a few things.
1, why turn to your father to help you find somebody. He hasn't help you all this time, why would he now ?
2, it seems like you been told sex before marriage is bad, not right. Well maybe it USED to be that way. But this is 2007-make that 2008. Waiting until marriage went out in the 60's-thats almost 50 years ago.
3, you will NOT get sick, catch STD, with an escort, highly unlikely. just say you like to stay safe and she will.
4, nobody has to know, your parents, friends--TERB, anybody, just book a date and try to relax. I would call a few company's up--the locals here might have a better idea which ones and tell them you are very shy-don't say virgin, just very shy--and let them help you find the right lady. You must know what type you like, age, weight, race, etc. Tell the lady on the phone and then let her pick 1 for you. It sure would not hurt to book 1 lady for 1 hour and just see how it goes. you are free to leave if its a incall or tell her to leave if its an outcall. But book a lady-soon.
5 as for wasting your best years-well you are still young, you have a ways to go before you are old. look at all the money you have saved and you have no kids, STD, go start have fun now. Don't wait until next year, seems like you keep doing that, year after year after year. it won't hurt to at least try it once but try 3-4 diff ladies, then step back and think about if you want to keep going. but you have to start. nobody is going to jump in your bed without you trying to find somebody.
6, I would set a goal of seeing 1 lady by the end of this year. Thats 3 weeks, forget about Feb, come next Feb. look back and see where you want to go. Dating services, escort services or back to doing nothing. but you aren't going to know unless you do start seeing a few ladies.
1, why turn to your father to help you find somebody. He hasn't help you all this time, why would he now ?
2, it seems like you been told sex before marriage is bad, not right. Well maybe it USED to be that way. But this is 2007-make that 2008. Waiting until marriage went out in the 60's-thats almost 50 years ago.
3, you will NOT get sick, catch STD, with an escort, highly unlikely. just say you like to stay safe and she will.
4, nobody has to know, your parents, friends--TERB, anybody, just book a date and try to relax. I would call a few company's up--the locals here might have a better idea which ones and tell them you are very shy-don't say virgin, just very shy--and let them help you find the right lady. You must know what type you like, age, weight, race, etc. Tell the lady on the phone and then let her pick 1 for you. It sure would not hurt to book 1 lady for 1 hour and just see how it goes. you are free to leave if its a incall or tell her to leave if its an outcall. But book a lady-soon.
5 as for wasting your best years-well you are still young, you have a ways to go before you are old. look at all the money you have saved and you have no kids, STD, go start have fun now. Don't wait until next year, seems like you keep doing that, year after year after year. it won't hurt to at least try it once but try 3-4 diff ladies, then step back and think about if you want to keep going. but you have to start. nobody is going to jump in your bed without you trying to find somebody.
6, I would set a goal of seeing 1 lady by the end of this year. Thats 3 weeks, forget about Feb, come next Feb. look back and see where you want to go. Dating services, escort services or back to doing nothing. but you aren't going to know unless you do start seeing a few ladies.
I think there should be a poll to follow this thread, 10 of the top SP's in the city to loose your virginity to...I LOVE IT!!!
Are Terb members cynical and harbour a hatred of women? A certain cynical outlook of life comes with age and experience I know ("experience is the best teacher but makes a brutal master") but if Terb members hate women, what are we doing on Terb sourcing women and then spending (lots of) money to be with said women? Monastaries in scenic European hilltop locales would be more our thing to spend time in if we all hated women. I don't visit SP's and MPA's because I hate women - I visit because I like experiencing different beautiful women who I might not otherwise get to experience through real world dating.MLAM said:
To VJ: Yes, don't wait until Feb - give yourself a Christmas present - 'tis the season!
Most jurisdictions have exceptions for teens within a certain age range having consensual sex with each other. As stated before if you're procuring a SP for someone under 18 you better be prepared for the possibility of being incarcerated.skypilot said:
Two further points teenage boys are not all from a cookie cutter, some people "start later" than others. Not being a sexual active teen may seemingly be a minority position it doesn't mean it's a "condition that needs to be cured." All that aside, again, I'm not sure how many 18 year old boys there are out there who want "dear old Dad" setting them up with an escort.
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Yes...in many cases.
I stand by what I originally said - much better to learn how to relate to and enjoy the company of a woman perchance to have sex with her (because that is what SHE wants...not because you are paying her), versus to learn that women are nothing more than sex objects to be purchased because you selfishly want an "experience".
Not knocking variety of pussy and paying to get it if you are a "womanizing slime ball"...hey, that is just keeping it real.
Am knocking the notion that this should be your first and only experience with women.
Didn't at least SOME of you guys meet and fall in love with a high school or college sweetheart who gave it up because she WANTED to? Because she WANTED to have that wonderfully awkward experience with you?
Instead advising this guy to go buy a piece of ass, you should be advising him to make the changes in his life so that he doesn't have to pay for it...and then he can CHOOSE TO should the occassion strike.
I'd hate to go my entire life having never known what it felt like to have a woman say..."ummmm....so....can I come over tonight?" To never know what it is like to have sex with a woman who is having sex with you because she WANTS to have sex with you....
To live in a world where this happens everyday to MOST men...but being completely unfamiliar? I'd sooner kill myself.
Many do based on their posts, and liking sex is not the same as liking women. Many TERB members freely confess that they see "SP's and MPA's" because they have no use for a relationship with a woman...not for a lack of time (though many claim that as well), but because they out and out dislike them - seeing them of little use besides for sex.alexmst said:Are Terb members cynical and harbour a hatred of women? A certain cynical outlook of life comes with age and experience I know ("experience is the best teacher but makes a brutal master") but if Terb members hate women, what are we doing on Terb sourcing women and then spending (lots of) money to be with said women? Monastaries in scenic European hilltop locales would be more our thing to spend time in if we all hated women. I don't visit SP's and MPA's because I hate women - I visit because I like experiencing different beautiful women who I might not otherwise get to experience through real world dating.
To VJ: Yes, don't wait until Feb - give yourself a Christmas present - 'tis the season!
I stand by what I originally said - much better to learn how to relate to and enjoy the company of a woman perchance to have sex with her (because that is what SHE wants...not because you are paying her), versus to learn that women are nothing more than sex objects to be purchased because you selfishly want an "experience".
Not knocking variety of pussy and paying to get it if you are a "womanizing slime ball"...hey, that is just keeping it real.
Am knocking the notion that this should be your first and only experience with women.
Didn't at least SOME of you guys meet and fall in love with a high school or college sweetheart who gave it up because she WANTED to? Because she WANTED to have that wonderfully awkward experience with you?
Instead advising this guy to go buy a piece of ass, you should be advising him to make the changes in his life so that he doesn't have to pay for it...and then he can CHOOSE TO should the occassion strike.
I'd hate to go my entire life having never known what it felt like to have a woman say..."ummmm....so....can I come over tonight?" To never know what it is like to have sex with a woman who is having sex with you because she WANTS to have sex with you....
To live in a world where this happens everyday to MOST men...but being completely unfamiliar? I'd sooner kill myself.
I am sure most of us could get a women to want us. But not any women, just a few.
Maybe some of us are more picky whom we date.
Maybe some of us don't want somebody who needs us, who would get hurt if we cheated on them, broke up with them.
I sure don't hate girls, maybe dislike a few women but thats because of how they are, not because they are female. I dislike many more males, then females.
Should I change so I could fell madly in love with some women ? Why, I am happy with my life how it is. I get to enjoy some very nice ladies, maybe I don't get as much as the married guy my age but I get enough as far as I care.
If somebody never wants a SP even once, thats their choice.
If somebody always wants a SP all the time, thats their choice too.
I think most here want both, a SP and a lover...but thats for them to decide , not any of us.
Maybe some of us are more picky whom we date.
Maybe some of us don't want somebody who needs us, who would get hurt if we cheated on them, broke up with them.
I sure don't hate girls, maybe dislike a few women but thats because of how they are, not because they are female. I dislike many more males, then females.
Should I change so I could fell madly in love with some women ? Why, I am happy with my life how it is. I get to enjoy some very nice ladies, maybe I don't get as much as the married guy my age but I get enough as far as I care.
If somebody never wants a SP even once, thats their choice.
If somebody always wants a SP all the time, thats their choice too.
I think most here want both, a SP and a lover...but thats for them to decide , not any of us.
When two people fall in love it is a wonderful thing. I remember my first high school sweetheart (grade 13) and how on a date we held hands for the first time and the sensation of sqeezing her hand and the pause and then having her sqeeze it back while smiling at me. And then the first kiss she initiated (after a couple of months of dating) on a park bench under a huge tree. I can even remember what she was wearing, scents in the air, weather, passersbys, etc. Priceless memories for me. So, I do agree with you MLAM that when a woman wants to be with you it is a beautiful thing. Mutual emotions make romance much better, and the feeling that I was in love with the most beautiful girl in the whole world (she was to me anyway) had me walking around on a cloud. I wish I could feel like that all the time, and many a time I've wished she and I had tied the knot (her parents moved to the U.S. with her and we lost touch). If I had married her I doubt I would have ever gotten into the hobby (wouldn't hurt her feelings or have risked losing her) but that is a guess and I can't say for sure in a hypothetical what I would have done decades later if things had been different. Anyways, my point is that I wouldn't trade those youthful optimistic powerful emotions/memories for all the free SP sessions I could have. I do enjoy my sessions now, but the old memories I enjoy more.MLAM said:
Now as for V.J....he's 31 and the youthful 16-21 school romance days seem to have left him behind. This is unfortunate for him. Perhaps he is too nervous around women and he needs an SP to help him overcome that. If he builds up his sexual confidence, maybe he can attract a g/f who wants to be with him. I was a nervous virgin at 18, but back then so were 75% of the girls at my school. No blowjob party(s) back in my day at my school (at least I never heard of any). So the girl was a virgin and I was a virgin and we expected it and didn't mind that we were both inexperienced and nervous and fearful, etc - it brought us together and bonded us emotionally. Today, more girls are experienced much earlier, and V.J. probably isn't going to find many virgin 31-year-olds who find his nervousness cute and endearing (as my first g/f did with me). Maybe if he keeps trying he will find the right g/f eventually...or maybe the SP experince will improve his outward appeal.
Before I was 27 I wouldn't have dreamed of using an SP or MPA, but since 27 I have used SP's and MPA's in between g/f relationships to prevent rebound type relationships, depression at break ups, and also prevent me from getting into another relationship with an incompatible girl just because I'm sex-starved. I enjoy my 'experiences' with the girls in the biz in between g'fs, but do not hobby while involved with a g/f. I hope my future will see me one day married to a woman who loves me and to then retire from the hobby. But perhaps it won't work out and then (if I make enough money) I'll end up old and retired in Florida sitting at an outdoor cafe sipping my Chartreuse under palm trees with a gold Rolex on my wrist and a hot SP on my arm, booked with me for the whole day. She can happily toy with her roses in the vase I had the waiter bring to the table, and I can glance at her nubile pert nipples poking through the fabric of her bikini top and lick my lips in anticipation of toying with them after lunch. Hey, it's not as good as having a wife who loves me, but better than being old, alone and miserable and with no sex to boot. I still date and am trying to find a g/f who loves me though - it is the better of the two options. There is nothing as good as being in love with someone who loves you back.
So V.J. - you're 31 - consider seeing an SP to take the edge off - it might help you. Or not.
It is only an idea that I had. Basically I have a system where I record romantic/sexual rejections from normal women, and unless I've been really rejected allot, or have a serious heart-break from someone, where there is a real negative score, AND I'm unable to hook-up with anyone for free in an adult dating site, then I would seriously entertain the idea (whether I'm rich or not, since I have regulations that govern this area).
I'm worried that this particular thing can spoil me into getting lazy, especially if I have lots of money, then it would be less painful to spend money on SP's rather than risk social/romantic/sexual rejections with normal women and I cant allow that to happen. Something as potentially addictive like this has to be kept inside a box and regulated tightly. The fact that I could go anytime is reason enough to delay it and use it only as a desperate last resort as it wont be healthy for me to do anything now. Normal girls operate on time-lines (i.e. if you dont follow-up with them in a timely manner or take advantage of a time-specific window-of-opportunity you are out of luck). This doesn't - so if I can go anytime, then why not go later - there is no deadline or rush - I'm not going to lose anyone.
Now, my dad promised to hook me up with one of his female friends to distract me from pursuing a casual-hook up about over a year ago and succeeded - therefore he should pay for damages and arrange an escort together because he failed to keep up his end of the bargain. That's the only reason I brought my dad up.
If I did to to an escort, my mom is very spirtually perceptive and will know that I did something and will badger me into telling me what it is. I'm totally transparent and if I did something out of character, especially something like visiting an SP, then it will show up everywhere and I wont be the same person again.
I'm worried that this particular thing can spoil me into getting lazy, especially if I have lots of money, then it would be less painful to spend money on SP's rather than risk social/romantic/sexual rejections with normal women and I cant allow that to happen. Something as potentially addictive like this has to be kept inside a box and regulated tightly. The fact that I could go anytime is reason enough to delay it and use it only as a desperate last resort as it wont be healthy for me to do anything now. Normal girls operate on time-lines (i.e. if you dont follow-up with them in a timely manner or take advantage of a time-specific window-of-opportunity you are out of luck). This doesn't - so if I can go anytime, then why not go later - there is no deadline or rush - I'm not going to lose anyone.
Now, my dad promised to hook me up with one of his female friends to distract me from pursuing a casual-hook up about over a year ago and succeeded - therefore he should pay for damages and arrange an escort together because he failed to keep up his end of the bargain. That's the only reason I brought my dad up.
If I did to to an escort, my mom is very spirtually perceptive and will know that I did something and will badger me into telling me what it is. I'm totally transparent and if I did something out of character, especially something like visiting an SP, then it will show up everywhere and I wont be the same person again.
Boy, you are warp right around your moms finger.
Its your life, not hers. They won't be around forever, you just going to wait until they are gone ?
You do have a good point about getting it too easy but gee 31 years old is getting up there. We were just trying to help you out.
You are wrong about anybody knowing, you are a guy, even your doctor will not be able to tell.
Good luck guy, hope you find her one day, maybe you will but if you turn in to a 40 year old virgin don't say its anybodys fault but yours.
Its your life, not hers. They won't be around forever, you just going to wait until they are gone ?
You do have a good point about getting it too easy but gee 31 years old is getting up there. We were just trying to help you out.
You are wrong about anybody knowing, you are a guy, even your doctor will not be able to tell.
Good luck guy, hope you find her one day, maybe you will but if you turn in to a 40 year old virgin don't say its anybodys fault but yours.
I think you are over-generalizing. Most of those people are married, and have no use for a relationship with THAT woman, precisely because they already have a perfectly good relationship with their wife.MLAM said:
That said I think it's a bit weird for a father/uncle to set the son up with an escort. Should be a personal decision.
For the record I had a long string of GF's and only started seeing SP's after I was in a long-term relationship. I missed the variety I experienced when I was single, but I like being in a relationship too and don't want to give that up either.
MLAM, I'll even throw this glove down:
I think by the time people are in their 30's most guys who see escorts have better relationships with women than most guys who are instead dating.
That's because most of the guys who see escorts have wives, and see escorts on the side, and as a result, are people who are emotionally stable, caring, and supportive enough to manage a long-term intimate relationship and start a family. The guys who are still dating well into their 30's are fuckups who for whatever reason don't know how to treat a woman well enough to have formed a LTR.
I think by the time people are in their 30's most guys who see escorts have better relationships with women than most guys who are instead dating.
That's because most of the guys who see escorts have wives, and see escorts on the side, and as a result, are people who are emotionally stable, caring, and supportive enough to manage a long-term intimate relationship and start a family. The guys who are still dating well into their 30's are fuckups who for whatever reason don't know how to treat a woman well enough to have formed a LTR.
Nope...
I am not saying this represents MOST Terbites...I just was saying that there was no reason to start this bloke down that road.
..the guys I am thinking of have made it pretty clear that they don't have relationships of ANY SORT, and have abandoned them in entirety.fuji said:
I am not saying this represents MOST Terbites...I just was saying that there was no reason to start this bloke down that road.
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I don't necessarily disagree...
...though I don't necessarily agree either.
Neither applies in this case however. Again, I am not railing against seeing escorts if you have it managed and keep it within perspective. A shrink might question one's need to womanize, but I sure as shit am not in position to judge on that particular tip.
The topic of this thread was the question as to if a 31yo man still living with his parents and under their (apparent) rule and deep influence should have his first sexual tryst be with an escort, given that it appears he has never been with a woman before, or even had a romantic relationship with one.
My retort is based on my belief that such a man is so maladjusted already that the last thing he needs is to be operating further outside of societies mores and to become even more detached from "reality" as defined by mainstream behavior....
Interestingly enough, his subsequent posts pretty much say the same things for the same reasons I felt that way...
fuji said:
...though I don't necessarily agree either.
Neither applies in this case however. Again, I am not railing against seeing escorts if you have it managed and keep it within perspective. A shrink might question one's need to womanize, but I sure as shit am not in position to judge on that particular tip.
The topic of this thread was the question as to if a 31yo man still living with his parents and under their (apparent) rule and deep influence should have his first sexual tryst be with an escort, given that it appears he has never been with a woman before, or even had a romantic relationship with one.
My retort is based on my belief that such a man is so maladjusted already that the last thing he needs is to be operating further outside of societies mores and to become even more detached from "reality" as defined by mainstream behavior....
Interestingly enough, his subsequent posts pretty much say the same things for the same reasons I felt that way...
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True, maybe an escort is not for him. He should start dating, go to a church and meet some ladies. He could have a GF without fooling around.
As for guy's in their 30's and never been married, being t fuckups quote Fuji, thats not true. Not every guy needs a women, some are pretty happy just dating and just never got hung up on 1 lady.
I think most guys who are married and then need to sneak behind the wifes back to have some fun, aren't doing so great themselfs.
Maybe I am wrong about that, because I know all guys who never been married aren't fuckups.
I believe I am happier being unmarried, of all the ladies I have know, they all have gotten old, gained weight, had kids--I really want no kids--. Maybe for me getting married every few years would have been good but even then, that mean I have to live with 1 women everyday all the time. Thats just is not for me.
As for guy's in their 30's and never been married, being t fuckups quote Fuji, thats not true. Not every guy needs a women, some are pretty happy just dating and just never got hung up on 1 lady.
I think most guys who are married and then need to sneak behind the wifes back to have some fun, aren't doing so great themselfs.
Maybe I am wrong about that, because I know all guys who never been married aren't fuckups.
I believe I am happier being unmarried, of all the ladies I have know, they all have gotten old, gained weight, had kids--I really want no kids--. Maybe for me getting married every few years would have been good but even then, that mean I have to live with 1 women everyday all the time. Thats just is not for me.
What does being a “fuckup” mean: Anti-social, lacking the social graces, never met the right woman, divorced, late bloomer? That's a lot of different conditions of men to tag with the pejorative “fuckup” Some of those so described might fit the bill as many of us would see it, others certainly would not. It’s an overly broad generalization, and I don’t believe Fuji, really intended to open this particular can of worms.fuji said:
Yeah he does seem pretty cool
I believe he may have meant guys who WANT to have kids, get married but haven't by the time they are in their 30's might have a problem. Like losing their cool, getting mad at little things.
It just hit me because heck I reach over 40 now but looking back I am glad I didn't get hook up with any lady. Maybe someday I will but not anytime soon I don't believe, I am a happy "young" guy, who's going to have a blast this week in Toronto.
I believe he may have meant guys who WANT to have kids, get married but haven't by the time they are in their 30's might have a problem. Like losing their cool, getting mad at little things.
It just hit me because heck I reach over 40 now but looking back I am glad I didn't get hook up with any lady. Maybe someday I will but not anytime soon I don't believe, I am a happy "young" guy, who's going to have a blast this week in Toronto.
