World's first automatic shotgun
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How useful is it?
If you have any knowledge about firearms, then you will know the usefullness is very limited. It is only in a fire fight or an armed assault that this weapon may have limited usefulness. it may be very heavy or the shell drum might be made heavy from the amount of ammo in it. You would pretty much have to stand out in the open to fire the weapon, where as a smaller more accurate weapon would accomplish the same result with one shot. Then there is the question of durability. Can it have a life span of more than 5000 rounds. A weapon in military or police use will have to stand up to 50,000 to 100,000 rounds ( minimum ) throught its useful life span. Many rounds will be fired in practice.
If you have any knowledge about firearms, then you will know the usefullness is very limited. It is only in a fire fight or an armed assault that this weapon may have limited usefulness. it may be very heavy or the shell drum might be made heavy from the amount of ammo in it. You would pretty much have to stand out in the open to fire the weapon, where as a smaller more accurate weapon would accomplish the same result with one shot. Then there is the question of durability. Can it have a life span of more than 5000 rounds. A weapon in military or police use will have to stand up to 50,000 to 100,000 rounds ( minimum ) throught its useful life span. Many rounds will be fired in practice.
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I hate that show, Future Weapons. It's an infomercial for the Military Industrial Complex. All these contractors marketing new toys, emphazing technology over training, machinery over motivation.
I'm terrible at remembering the short for "M-" designations on US weapons so forgive my ignorance with this question. On the Urban Combat course I did we used the short barrel shotgun type lock and hinge blasting weapon. It was a modified shotgun and sure took out a big chunk of whatever you hit. Close range useage though, like a handgun, Ok in confined space up close but outside in the open you would want the rifle back.
My eyes aren't so good anymore, wouldn't want to try at 1000 , although back in the day with the vernier rear pop-up the Enfield was a beaut.
My eyes aren't so good anymore, wouldn't want to try at 1000 , although back in the day with the vernier rear pop-up the Enfield was a beaut.
DonQuixote said:
We used the FN C1 and C2 that was chambered the 7.62 Nato std. Packed a punch that thing did. Oddly they were made in Belgium.
papasmerf said:
Well sort of. There is a hole in the barrel near the muzzle end. When the projectile passes the hole gas from the burning gun powder flows down through the hole and either flows back to the action or presses on a rod that applies force to the action. Either way that force unlocks the action and works the mechanism to cock the firearm and load the next round.
THE AA-12 if I recall correctly uses a rod to prevent gasses from entering the action and fowling the mechanism. Also uses a key to wind up a spring in the magazine, so it is sort of half as operated, half wind up toy.
The AA 12 is not the first fully automatic shotgun.
here's one patented in the 80s the jackhammer
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh10-e.htm
here's another the usas 12
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh16-e.htm
here's the predecessor to the aa12
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh29-e.htm
As with any weapon it has it's uses.
I do like the fact that there are many different types of rounds out there for shotguns.
And while an assault rifle is probably better since it has better range and better penetrating power.... the ability to spray a room full of buckshot is pretty useful if you are not a good shot.
As for durability the AA 12 is supposed to be pretty tough.
Mind you I'd rather clear a room with a grenade in a bag of rusty nails (assuming I need to get that close).
here's one patented in the 80s the jackhammer
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh10-e.htm
here's another the usas 12
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh16-e.htm
here's the predecessor to the aa12
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh29-e.htm
As with any weapon it has it's uses.
I do like the fact that there are many different types of rounds out there for shotguns.
And while an assault rifle is probably better since it has better range and better penetrating power.... the ability to spray a room full of buckshot is pretty useful if you are not a good shot.
As for durability the AA 12 is supposed to be pretty tough.
Mind you I'd rather clear a room with a grenade in a bag of rusty nails (assuming I need to get that close).
I finally watched that video and ... I think it's really fucked. I mean, what's the use of something like that?
Sure, sure - the military is supposed to have the biggest guns and the most firepower. I understand that. But really now, is a gun like that necessary?
And is a show like that on TV a good idea?
Sigh.
Sure, sure - the military is supposed to have the biggest guns and the most firepower. I understand that. But really now, is a gun like that necessary?
And is a show like that on TV a good idea?
Sigh.
dcbogey said:
My point is that you don't need a fancy gun (AA12) with special rounds (fragmentation) when a simpler weapon (frag grenade) has been around and can do a similar job. In other words it's probably costly and hard to get one of those AA12s but explosives and shrapnel is much easier to put together..... if one wanted to (not that I do).
dcbogey said:
This has been around for some time now and has a range of 350 m and shots a larger round (40 mm grenade).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M79_grenade_launcher
Or better yet how about an RPG (950 m range and 85 mm rounds).....http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/rpg.htm
Stryker 12 shotguns
If you want to scare somebody, and increase your rate of fire, just put a magazine extension on your Remington 11-87 shotgun, or find a Striker 12 shotgun somewhere. They were banned in NYS in the early 1990s but some are still around.
Here is a neat commercially available round called Dragons Breath. It fires out of an ordinary shotgun and will light up anything in its path
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=25032138
The major would take his M14 or FN-FAL into combat if only one weapon chouce were allowed.
If you want to scare somebody, and increase your rate of fire, just put a magazine extension on your Remington 11-87 shotgun, or find a Striker 12 shotgun somewhere. They were banned in NYS in the early 1990s but some are still around.
Here is a neat commercially available round called Dragons Breath. It fires out of an ordinary shotgun and will light up anything in its path
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=25032138
The major would take his M14 or FN-FAL into combat if only one weapon chouce were allowed.
Doctor Zoidburg said:
I dont understand this post. Most firearms outside of a sidearm has limited usefulness outside of their element...A sniper rifle has very limited usefulness, so does an MP5 but they are both very useful weapons.
I can see the AA12 doing amazing in urban warfare (which seems to be the way most "wars" are fought these days
