World leaders duped manipulates global warming data
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Nonsense.
The planet has warmed about 1C over the past the past 135 years, but the Earth's temperature post-1990 has been nowhere near anything that was predicted. The IPCC admitted as much in its most recent report. For most of the 21st century (prior to the super El Nino), the Earth's temperature has been stagnant -- a far cry from the skyrocketing increases that were predicted.
By the way, that rolling data from NASA that you like to cite includes the Enron-style adjustments to sea surface temperatures that prompted this thread. The so-called "unabated" warming was created by replacing good data with bad data.
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Not according to you.
Your quote above is clearly supported by the evidence.
https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/comparing-cmip5-observations/
Michael Mann and others also state that we should use an earlier date for pre-industrial references, using that date the present rise is 1.2ºC which is well on the way to the red line of 2ºC that we never want to hit.
http://grist.org/article/1-5-degrees-c-may-be-closer-than-we-thought/
This is blatant fraud.
The two numbers Frankfooter is citing -- 0.83 and 0.87 -- come from two different graphs that were using two completely different data sets and methodologies (the changes were described in the original post in this thread).
Everyone who can do basic math knows full well that 0.13 (the temperature increase that NASA reported for 2015) is less than the 0.15 minimum we bet on.
This is blatant fraud.
The vast range of projections in the models and the predictions made by the IPCC and other climate warriors are two completely different things. In the post being quoted, here is what I actually said about the accuracy of the IPCC's predictions:
"The IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong. The graphs confirm it"
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5349304#post5349304
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Given that pretty much everything he posts is fraudulent, Frankfooter is probably the last guy on this planet who should be defending Michael Mann or questioning the widely held view that Mann's hockey stick graph is fraudulent.
Nope, the 0.83ºC is the number we both agreed, based on a 20 year IPCC projection starting in 1995, and as clearly stated below.
The number 0.87ºC comes from the same live updated chart specified by you in the bet above, and note that it shows you lost the bet.
The only person trying to use different charts, numbers or sources here is you.
I continue to use only the chart you picked and confirmed.
Your comment about the temperature anomalies fitting the model projections is also correct and a direct quote from you.
Its backed up by this article.
https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/comparing-cmip5-observations/
That is a blatant lie.
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png
It is quite telling that Mann's greatest defender on TERB is a compulsive liar.
That is a different chart then the one we agreed to use.
You should stop trying to use different charts and just use the one you picked in the bet below.
Click on the link on the chart you agreed to use and you can clearly read 0.87ºC for 2015's global temp anomaly.
You lost the bet.
That is a blatant lie.
The graph on the left is the exact graph that we bet on -- and Frankfooter knows it: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png
Indeed, every time Frankfooter cites my post about the terms of the bet, he deliberately deletes the sentences that confirm the graph on the left is the exact one we bet on.
By contrast, the one on the right is where he gets his 0.87 number from. By mixing and matching graphs, he creates the "fake news" that 0.13 has somehow become a bigger number than 0.15.
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Actually, it's regrettable that a lying dolt such as Frankfooter insists on posting in this forum.
Regardless of the topic -- climate change, Donald Trump, Israel, Ontario's energy policies -- it seems it's only a matter of time before Frankfooter starts posting blatant lies and then follows up with insane arguments when respondents try to correct his lies with factually accurate information.
Posting non-stop lies and then arguing about them debases the political forum. Many of us would prefer to deal with adults.
Once again you traffic in intellectual dishonesty. You're a serial trafficker fuji. Dr Carter (RIP) is one of MANY scientists who are warning of decades of global cooling. The accelerated warming we have seen in 2015 and 2016 was in large part related to the effects of a super El Nino, a natural phenomenon that cannot be predicted. Prior to that we were in a 21st century pause in warming.
Let it be noted that we are only 3 years out from that video, 3 years is a pittance in climate history it represents 10% of a climate data point. Given that it would be irresponsible to say Dr Carter's prediction is either correct or incorrect.
Compare the chart on moviefan's post above, where he claims I'm lying, with the chart on the page specified by moviefan in the bet below.
And here is the full quote of moviefans bet confirmation.
The chart moviefan is now referring to is a different chart then specified in the bet.
Moviefan continues to try to bait and switch charts as the one he picked shows he lost the bet.
Its as easy as pie to click on the links and see that moviefan is lying here.
Again, after how many years of warming will you concede the his prediction was wrong and the theory that generated it thereby refuted? In the video you linked he definitely predicted cooling by now. He had a chart showing a decline already underway.
So answer: how many more years of warming before you agree that theory has been refuted by the data?
The 30 year average temperature has been rising consistently for the past few decades and with only minor setbacks since the industrial revolution.
And since you mentioned El Nino can you explain why El Nino's are getting progressively warmer? Peak to peak they are hotter than they used to be. Valley to valley between them is also getting hotter. Non El Niño years are now hotter than El Niño years in the past.
Global Warming: The True-Believer Mindset
https://youtu.be/fwZoYV9B1BM
Impervious to reason and reality, followers of the Green Gospel turn a blind eye to all else. Featuring Dr. Robert Balling, Arizona State University, USA.
https://youtu.be/fwZoYV9B1BM
Impervious to reason and reality, followers of the Green Gospel turn a blind eye to all else. Featuring Dr. Robert Balling, Arizona State University, USA.
Balling is funded by Exxon and the Heartland Institute.
You might as well ask Ronald McDonald if his research shows big macs are good for you.
