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I grew up watching Dukes too and had the toy car, but I didn't grow up in the good ole USA. We didn't know what that garbage ultimately stood for. When my parents learned about the flag, that car went int he trash. The symbol offends me more than the show gave me joy. Let the lady show her outrage. She's justified in doing so. It means nothing to you, but it does to her..
What you might find offensive is not that same as what others find offensive. Same way you can always turn the channel and not watch re-runs of the dukes of hazard. Same thing this lady should have done. Just continued walking on by. But since everyone seems to have a hate-on lately for removal of historical sculptures and flags, this lady was just looking for attention imo. She projected her feelings of racial victimization onto this guy simply for having a replica of a car.
 

derrick76

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What you might find offensive is not that same as what others find offensive. Same way you can always turn the channel and not watch re-runs of the dukes of hazard, you can always just go about your day. This lady projected her feelings onto this guy simply for having a replica of a car.
That's what the Nazi sympathizers say. What say you to that? Celebration and education of are two different things.

No, her feelings do not stem from a replica of a car. It's the symbol on it, just as if it the symbol had been printed on a piece of paper or a cake.

Stop being deliberately obtuse!!
 

SuperCharge

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That's what the Nazi sympathizers say. What say you to that?

No, her feelings do not stem from a replica of a car. It's the symbol on it, just as if it the symbol had been printed on a piece of paper or a cake.

Stop being deliberately obtuse!!
You guys need to get over it by now. Constantly playing the victim is really getting old, as old as slavery.
 

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You guys need to get over it by now. Constantly playing the victim is really getting old, as old as slavery.
It would be sweet if you guys stopped being racist, and pass it off as normalcy.

And who is playing a victim? Someone showing strength to reject your racism is playing a victim? You obviously don't know what a victim is. A victim is someone who lets you subdue them, which is what would be the result if I let you and those of your ilk slide by with your racism.
 

SuperCharge

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It would be sweet if you guys stopped being racist, and pass it off as normalcy.

And who is playing a victim? Someone showing strength to reject your racism is playing a victim? You obviously don't know what a victim is. A victim is someone who lets you subdue them, which is what would be the result if I let you and those of your ilk slide by with your racism.
Oh she would have got her hair blow dried from me and my racing buddies if she tried that with any of us. Kinda wish she would have, that would have been one interesting conversation.

I'm not racist now and have never been. Sorry to disappoint you. Gotta love it, because I don't share the same HATE towards the flag as you that makes me a racist.
 

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Oh she would have got her hair blow dried from me and my racing buddies if she tried that with any of us. Kinda wish she would have, that would have been one interesting conversation.

I'm not racist now and have never been. Sorry to disappoint you.
Her hair blow dried? What does that mean? Explain? You would beat the shit out of her? Cause her some bodily harm? Is that what you mean? You and your buddies? Why not just do it on your own?
 

SuperCharge

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Her hair blow dried? What does that mean? Explain? You would beat the shit out of her? Cause her some bodily harm? Is that what you mean? You and your buddies? Why not just do it on your own?
What kind of psycho do you think I am? Blow drying someone's hair just means I would have given her a piece of my mind. You know when you open up your mouth and air comes out? It was a figure of speech. Like don't piss on my shoe, and tell me it's raining, means don't bullshit me.
 

GPIDEAL

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That car is a piece of pop culture history NOT a statement of support of the south and slavery.

That car was at a car show.

Much like if you went to a US museum of American History having a confederate flag would not be out of place.

Context is key.
But it wasn't a car museum or in a Hollywood prop museum. This is Canada, home of the Underground Railroad. How's that for context?
 

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Personally, I wouldn't have cared if I was there, because it was to depict a car from the show.

The car owner might have had more luck apologizing and not trying to justify General Lee, etc., and simply say it was to depict the original car from the show and nothing more for the auto show. He could explain that he's had it at other shows and the car scores more points bearing original decals.
 

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Yet the NCAA declared that the below was an offensive image.
I imagine there are lots of disparaging images/team names that the NCAA would declare too offensive / in violation of its constitution or policies that the Supeme Court would allow as a trademark. First Amendment and stuff...

Not sure what your point is.


But it wasn't a car museum or in a Hollywood prop museum. This is Canada, home of the underground railroad. How's that for context?
:encouragement:

It's not exactly a classic car, but it's certainly a pop icon. Would anyone change their position on "it's just a car" if I was driving this (truck) around town? Purely out of curiosity.

 

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Derrick, lets please not jump all over, and now get into "Nazi" stuff.

With sticking to the topic, its just a car to me. While true, the battle flag can be used by pride groups or hate, the show or car never promoted hate in the least.

Is the woman justified in her outrage? I'm not to say. Obviously people 'trigger' off different things these days.

What I do know, if that Dukes were very successful for seven seasons, Hollywood made a move from the show, and the car continues to be enjoyed by Millions at countless events like Comic con and Dukefest.
So, over all that times, with the General Lee making appearances at many events in Canada for decades, we only now in 2017 see this make the news on CityTV because one person couldn't handle the car?

What I will agree with you, is she has the right to be offended, and share her position calmly. But doesn't have the right to resort to swearing and losing control.

On the flip side, that car and flag is liked by millions who neither see it as hate, or advocate any such messages of it themselves. They have the counter right to enjoy a car like that, or Dukes of Hazzard shirt without concerns of someone being confrontational with them over it.

As someone already pointed out, what about the Che Guevara shirts? I don't like communist in the least, and see those shirts all the time.
Even though I don't like them, I'm not offended, nor wish to approach someone, because I feel they have a right to wear and embrace whatever they want to.

I'm not being unsympathetic to her, as much as I'd say 'we all have a right'. Despite her not liking the car, or that flag, people have a right to like and embrace as they wish.

We're supposed to be a country of different views. One which we respect other people. So rather than being offended easily, people should work harder on having more tolerance for one another.
If that flag or car ended up being banned as 'hate', many would rejoice.

But doing so, just took something away from someone else. I'd urge to be carful of that slippery slope, because sooner or later, something might be banned that you or she considered to be pride or heritage, yet someone else saw as being negative or hatred.

Like I say, tolerance at all levels should be the goal, not banning or removing symbols or words.
Very well said Kathleen! It is very concerning to me when people are "triggered' by just about anything, which leads to confrontations like this. If we truly want to address racism and many others problems society people must learn to speak in complete thoughts (more than 140 characters) and really listen to each other's points of view.
 

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I think this statement needs to change to "The symbol should only be judged in context but don't forget the perspective of the audience, as perception is everything".
Very good point. We have to remember that the medium is the message too.
 

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But it wasn't a car museum or in a Hollywood prop museum. This is Canada, home of the Underground Railroad. How's that for context?
How does a car, a prop from a television program compare with a Confederate Battle Flag hung in a window or flying from a flagpole in Canada - I've seen both more than once.
 

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I imagine there are lots of disparaging images/team names that the NCAA would declare too offensive / in violation of its constitution or policies that the Supeme Court would allow as a trademark. First Amendment and stuff...

Not sure what your point is.
That most of us would consider the "Fighting Sioux" image respectful. That if the Cleveland Indians logo was like it that there wouldn't be problems.

Yet the NCAA banned that logo.
 

managee

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That most of us would consider the "Fighting Sioux" image respectful. That if the Cleveland Indians logo was like it that there wouldn't be problems.

Yet the NCAA banned that logo.
So majority rules here? Since most aren't offended, it's all good?

American Indian and Alaskan Natives make up 0.9% of total US population... it seems like they should count for more than 0.9% if a hypothetical poll based on "how offended are you by this logo" or similar question were to be conducted.

I wouldn't expect you to personally find it offensive, unless what you're saying is that you're indigenous and don't find it offensive personally.

I see no reason why you would take offense to this if you aren't indigenous. I can recognize a number of ways in which this image is offensive to some.

The NCAA can recognize something as "offensive." They aren't stupid... they probably have a couple college grads in their ranks.
 

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Over 95% of the trans atlantic African slaves went to central and south America, yet 100% of the time a slave master is portrayed as north American....im offended.
 

managee

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Over 95% of the trans atlantic African slaves went to central and south America, yet 100% of the time a slave master is portrayed as north American....im offended.
As a North American?

Or a slave owner?

100% seems a little high. Are you basing this on what you watch/have watched or what exists? Because I don't see most of what I see on TV in Central and South America airing up here. It just doesn't translate...
 
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