Winnipeg Launchs John-cam

dickydoem

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Stuck in Lodi again
Winnipeg police launch new John-cam program

By MICHELLE MACAFEE





WINNIPEG (CP) - Winnipeg police have a new weapon in their fight against prostitution -a john-cam that captures video footage of hookers getting into cars that is later posted on a public website.

Faces and licence plates will be blurred and a disclaimer on the site states not everyone who appears is a sex-trade worker or customer. But police said Wednesday they're confident Operation Snapshot, a pilot project believed to be the first of its kind in Canada, will help discourage the kind of steady traffic that is frustrating residents and business operators in some west and north neighbourhoods.

"Our experience was that if the johns or people who fuel the sex trade realized they weren't anonymous, that people were watching what they were doing, that they didn't want that," said Patrol Sgt. Kelly Dennison of the morals unit.

"This is kind of a back-lane, behind somebody's house or fence kind of thing."

But the website immediately drew criticism from Manitoba's privacy commissioner.

Barry Tuckett questioned whether cameras are justifiable, reasonable and effective when measured against the intrustion of privacy.

"My concern would be they're not the panacea, they're not the answer to crime," said Tuckett.

"There are also some other values that have to be measured and that is the fundamental right people have to be left alone, to not have the state intruding into their lawful activities on the street."

Even if people have nothing to hide but are captured on tape simply driving down the street, they may feel uncomfortable and become distrusting knowing they have been monitored.

Dennison said police will do all taping in person, in full view of the public, and will not use fixed cameras.

The website will only feature scenes police are confident depict transactions between hookers and Johns, not people stopping for directions or other apparent innocent activity.

"We're not putting clips on there that aren't realistic," said Dennison. "We're not in the business of wrecking families, these johns can do that themselves."

A community group representing 1,100 businesses in one high-traffic prostitution neighbourhood welcomed the project as another step in an ongoing battle to keep their streets free of hookers and johns.

"If you don't have a guilty conscience, what do you care if somebody asks you what you were doing on Ellice Avenue," said Trudy Turner, executive director of West End BIZ.

"It's pretty easy to explain. I can't see it being a big problem."


The web address is:

http://www.city.winnipeg.mb.ca/police/moralsunit/operation_snapshot.htm
 
I just heard Michael Coren on 1010 AM say that he might be talking about this sometime in the next two or three hours. He's the guy with the shaved head, British accent, a talk show on the religious TV station, and a column once a week in the Sun - you know the Sun, the newspaper with all those ads for the sex trade? Apparently he also objects to the increasingly common use of terms such as "sex worker" and "sex trade" legitimizing the business.
 
dickydoem said:
But the website immediately drew criticism from Manitoba's privacy commissioner.
Barry Tuckett questioned whether cameras are justifiable, reasonable and effective when measured against the intrustion of privacy.
"My concern would be they're not the panacea, they're not the answer to crime," said Tuckett.
http://www.city.winnipeg.mb.ca/police/moralsunit/operation_snapshot.htm
Translation:

I don't wanna be caught myself...
 
I saw an article today that talked about how the site already had 4000 or 5000 hits and how that was really good, yet I couldn't help but think about how TERB gets over a million hits in a day and that the thousands this site did get were probably the same johns constantly checking in to see if they had gotten caught. :rolleyes:

Quite frankly I don't see it being a real deterrent....what is preventing people from moving away from the cameras?

PAL
 
What I find most disturbing about this is that many of the people on these sites even if they have been charged have not been convicted. In the Winnipeg case, it is also stated that not everyone shown on the site is a sex trade worker or customer. Try explaining it to anyone who might recognize you on there. Also where might they go next? Posting photo of those going into MPs or strip clubs?

Even those charged and convicted of many more serious crimes don't usually get their pictures plastered on a website. Street prostitution might be a serious nuisance to some neighbourhoods but this seems like a poor way of dealing with the problem.
 
Been done in Toronto & Ottawa already

I use to have the links but lost them. Private citizens both here in Toronto in Parkdale area and in Ottawa on Gladstone and other areas took matters into their own hands. They started snapping pics and posting them on Internet. They were just getting tired of all the 'street' activity.

I agree though this is not an effective way to fix the problem.

My experience has been that most or a lot of street level SP or SWs as we call them are addicts. Addicted to crack. They need treatment. We need more treatment centres in Ontario. And those centres should specialize in servicing street people.

If they are going to publish people’s pics in public I think they should publish the pimps pics.
 
HaywoodJabloemy said:
I don't think Coren got to this topic. John Tory was on the show for the last hour.

They're a little more blatant in some of the U.S. with the "shaming" tactics.

This Week's Prostitution Arrest Photos (from St. Paul MN)

http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/prostitution_photos_current.html

I love this site, as a former Minnesotan I'm always looking for some of my High School buddies ;-). Some real hotties there as well LOL

OTB
 
Winston said:
Is it a good idea to publish photos? I for one am single, and really don't give a rat's ass. I would be happy to pose mooning the cop.

From my POV, the moment you are in public you are "fair game". Sorry kids, but if you are out and about there is nothing you can do.

Just stick with a reliable agency, and no worries. Not that many of us do the street walker scene.

Yeah, but a lot of those guys in that Minnesota link were busted on "outcalls"

I assume that means that they called some bogus escort agency.

That's just wrong man.
 
Winston said:
...I for one am single, and really don't give a rat's ass...
...Just stick with a reliable agency...
You might give a rat's ass if it gave you a criminal record and stopped you from crossing the border or getting hired for a job.

The Winnipeg cop quoted in The Star article is on the "morals" squad. The john-cam thing is just misdirection. He has the guy writing the article convinced that the sex trade is entirely guys in cars picking up street walkers, as if he doesn't know that the vast majority of the sex trade in this country is escorts and MPs that the cops knowingly tolerate, despite all the agencies and MPs violating the Criminal Code.
 
I'll tell you how to roll up that little party very quickly.

Put on a reverse-sting in which you' play the victim.
Have an out-of-towner stop and ask a street prostitute for directions, have her jump in the car because then she'll be able to better explain where you're going, the drop her off a few minutes later. Make sure the John-cam got you on their film and then wait for them to post your license plate on their website.

Thats when the fun starts cause now you can sue their sorry little pants off!!!
And sue them for lots of money (say a few hundred thousand dollars worth).
That site will disappear so fast it'll make your head spin!!!
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