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Wind turbines are getting huge !

nottyboi

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Renewables are advertised as green or 'good for the environment' but when you actually take a look behind facade and see how the sausage is made you will immediately find that they are anything but good for the environment. That is the very definition of a con. Now I'm not going to sit here and say that renewables don't serve any purpose at all. Solar is definitely useful, especially if you are off grid, but clearing acres of what was previously fertile farm land to put up a solar farm is dumb. If you were truly concerned about the environment, rewinding that land or using permaculture to create sustainable harvests is a far better idea. As for EVs, sure they are great in certain circumstances like if you live in a city that has a fair climate but to force all internal combustion engines off the road doesn't serve any real purpose other than making life infinitely more difficult. An EV transport truck is going to run into problems on the high plains in winter. Wind is just plain useless however. Especially for any industrial economy.

Cheap energy is absolutely necessary for industry and you'll never get that out of wind. As for the whole carbon debate, it's a little disingenuous to claim that carbon emissions need to be reduced in Canada or any other western nation while at the same time completely ignoring the emissions that go into making these so called green alternatives and nations like China and India who's power grids rely heavily on coal. Now consider that China is basically the sole exporter of solar panels as an example and those emissions you are purportedly reducing are in reality being exported elsewhere. The carbon still makes it into the atmosphere, it simply happens in a place where you don't see it. The single most glaring indictment of the environmental movement is their silence in the wake of the Nord Stream pipelines being blown up by the Americans, it was the single largest man made emission of carbon into the atmosphere and nobody gave a shit about it.

Manufactruiring emissions are present regardless of what generation source you use. The chart I postes shows wind can provide the lowest cost of power (given the most favorble install locations) . Over the lifetime, you are not burning any fuel, so with solar or wind the carbon footprint is lower and solar and wind absorb energy from the sun/wind rather then releasing more energy in terms of nuclear reactions or buring fuel They are gathering energy rather then releasing more stored energy, same with hydro.
 

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Cheap energy is absolutely necessary for industry and you'll never get that out of wind.
Energy is no longer cheap.

Not too long ago crude oil trading near $30 was considered
unacceptably expensive. Those days are long gone.

$50--$70 oil has not capped global economic growth in the last
2 decades only because China and the rest of the developing world
can prosper on a more frugal lifestyle by comparison to the living
standard of the west.

At some point the whole world will have to live on renewable
energy not because it is cheap and clean though. Fossil fuel
being a limited resource will only become more costly until it
is no longer affordable.
 

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Manufactruiring emissions are present regardless of what generation source you use. The chart I postes shows wind can provide the lowest cost of power (given the most favorble install locations) . Over the lifetime, you are not burning any fuel, so with solar or wind the carbon footprint is lower and solar and wind absorb energy from the sun/wind rather then releasing more energy in terms of nuclear reactions or buring fuel They are gathering energy rather then releasing more stored energy, same with hydro.
I wonder if the $12 billion Bay Du Nord deep water oil drilling project
offshore Newfoundland approved by Steven Guilbeault with the support
of Trudeau, Freeland and Wilkinson is less economical than a $12 billion
project of offshore wind power construction in its place.

My guess is Trudeau and his liberals dumb they were did understand
offshore wind power was not worth the risk of losing money.
 

nottyboi

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I wonder if the $12 billion Bay Du Nord deep water oil drilling project
offshore Newfoundland approved by Steven Guilbeault with the support
of Trudeau, Freeland and Wilkinson is less economical than a $12 billion
project of offshore wind power construction in its place.

My guess is Trudeau and his liberals dumb they were did understand
offshore wind power was not worth the risk of losing money.
What makes you think that place is a good for offshore wind, its far too deep and far too far for offshore wind. Its not even a great place to drill for oil, but the oil is there and money can be made extracting it.

Its 500 km off shore and in over 1000m of water. No one would build a windfarm there so saying they decided one over another is even more dumb then they are. 👍
 

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Actually there are offshore wind power developments in
Newfoundland. You don't have to plant wind turbines in
exactly the same spots where oil is drilled. Capital deployed
most likely won't be anywhere close to $12 billion though.

Newfoundland and Labrador is positioning itself as the primary benefactor and regulator when it comes to offshore wind developments in the province — but the deal hinges on federal legislation passing in Ottawa.

The memorandum of understanding with the federal government identifies 16 bays as exclusive provincial jurisdiction, allowing the province to develop wind farms as though they were on land.
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nottyboi

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Actually there are offshore wind power developments in
Newfoundland. You don't have to plant wind turbines in
exactly the same spots where oil is drilled. Capital deployed
most likely won't be anywhere close to $12 billion though.

Newfoundland and Labrador is positioning itself as the primary benefactor and regulator when it comes to offshore wind developments in the province — but the deal hinges on federal legislation passing in Ottawa.

The memorandum of understanding with the federal government identifies 16 bays as exclusive provincial jurisdiction, allowing the province to develop wind farms as though they were on land.
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As I said, not one over the other. There are much better places to put the wind farms, where there is wind, shallow water and as close to land as possible so you don't have to send the power too far.
 
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