Will the flotilla apologize for the acts of violence perpetrated by their fighters?
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A blockade is an act of war, not a war crime. Duh.Old enough to read and if you are the same, you should afford yourself the opportunity to read the Goldstone Report. It identifies the blockade as a War Crime.
Israel is entitled to carry out acts of war against Hamas because Hamas fires rockets into Israeli territory.
Read Article 51 of the UN Charter. This is not complicated.
Glad to see you admit they are freedom fighters.Glad to see you admit they were fighters and that your previous posts about them being peaceful were in fact outrageous lies.
I guess not old enough if you think because a blockade is identified as a War Crime, that people who did it was convicted of a War Crime if they came out on top. Instead of reading your Goldstone Report, read the details of every major war going as far back as you can. Also ask yourself why the Germans got hammered for War Crimes while the Japanese not as much.Old enough to read and if you are the same, you should afford yourself the opportunity to read the Goldstone Report. It identifies the blockade as a War Crime. It provides the evidence. It provide the relevant laws. It contains the recommendation to take Israel to the International Criminal Court.
I think that probably happened BEFORE Israel boarded the ship. Consider that the organizers of the flotilla are connected with the Turkish government, and that there were violent Turkish fighters on board the ship. Do you think maybe the government of Turkey put them up to it? In which case Israel has no friend in Turkey, as Turkey was plotting against them from the outset.Israel has lost it's only friendly country in the region
A lot of people have speculated that this was a Turkish plot cooked up by the ruling party in Turkey because it is not doing well in the polls, and creating a confrontation with Israel would benefit the ruling party and get its polling numbers back up again.
The Goldstone Report is wrong. Hamas has committed acts of aggression against Israel, and under Article 51 of the UN Charter Israel is entitled to respond with whatever means it feels are necessary to preserve its security, including acts of war such as air strikes or blockades or even outright invasion. It can continue to do so until the UN Security Council formulates a more appropriate response to the security threat, which it has not done.On the contrary, its an illegal blockade. The Goldstone Report exquisitely laid out the reasoning and the evidence. The recommendation is to take Israel to the International Criminal Court.
You plainly don't understand the first thing about this.
That's a crock.A blockade is an act of war, not a war crime. Duh.
Israel is entitled to carry out acts of war against Hamas because Hamas fires rockets into Israeli territory.
Read Article 51 of the UN Charter. This is not complicated.
Israel is an occupying force, controlling who gets in, what food gets in, how much water gets in, how much electricity gets in. Sure they moved their army outside of the walls, now they just pertch up there and shoot anyone who gets near. Its the worlds largest prison. That's a crime against humanity, buddy.
Israel killed over 1000 people with the last attack.
Destroyed over half of the hospitals in Gaza.
Destroyed water plants.
Destroyed schools.
And they won't let cement in to fix anything.
Or toys for kids.
see BBC
What do you dispute? Do you dispute that Hamas fires rockets at Israel? If not you lose the debate.That's a crock.
Yes they are essentially at war with Hamas. What is your point? They allow food and medicine in, and building materials when there is an approved project. Hamas has shown time and time again that they are not even remotely interested in peace--if you give them unrestricted building materials they will build fortified bunkers. If you give them pipes for plumbing they will use them to build rockets. If you give them fertilizer they will not plant crops, they will make bombs.Israel is an occupying force, controlling who gets in, what food gets in, how much water gets in, how much electricity gets in.
By the way, Israel is *not* an occupying force. Certainly it is controlling what gets in via the blockade, but they are not an occupying force.
The Israelis would MUCH prefer not to have to control what gets in and out of Gaza--all that has to happen for that to be a reality is simple: Hamas acknowledge Israel's right to exist and renounce armed attacks on Israel. Hell, maybe just STOP the armed attacks on Israel.
No, the Goldstone report mentions acts by both side that were possible war crimes. It just happens that the Israeli side of that is much bigger.The Goldstone Report is wrong. Hamas has committed acts of aggression against Israel, and under Article 51 of the UN Charter Israel is entitled to respond with whatever means it feels are necessary to preserve its security, including acts of war such as air strikes or blockades or even outright invasion. It can continue to do so until the UN Security Council formulates a more appropriate response to the security threat, which it has not done.
You plainly don't understand the first thing about this.
Phosphorous bombs in crowded civilian areas?
Human shields?
My point is that Israel is still the effective occupying force controlling the Gaza strip.
They are at war with the worlds largest prison?
As such they are to hold to the Geneva Conventions.
But they don't, they are executing collective punishment through starvation, assinations, terrorism and torture.
They are at war with the worlds largest prison?
As such they are to hold to the Geneva Conventions.
But they don't, they are executing collective punishment through starvation, assinations, terrorism and torture.
It's wrong, and in any case, that's irrelevant to the question of whether a blockade is justified.No, the Goldstone report mentions acts by both side that were possible war crimes.
If you eased restrictions on Gaza Hamas would respond by increasing the sophistication of the rockets they fire at Israel.They are at war with the worlds largest prison?
I'm pretty familiar with the GC. Can you cite which section you think has been violated?As such they are to hold to the Geneva Conventions.
If you try and pretend that any blockade is inherently a violation I will laugh at you with examples of blockades from every war that has ever been fought, from WW1 though WW2 through the Korean War through Vietnam through the Iraq war. Blockades are part of war. Period.
Ok I have looked at the Israeli military footage.. can someone explain to me why the alleged activists are wearing balaclavas and body armour? What a SHAM!!! those stick wielding people look to me like Israeli commandos in different clothing.. looks like a complete fabrication to me.
They are wearing scarves and life jackets: Look at the activists' own video. It shows the same thing: Their people beating on Israeli soldiers with iron rods.Ok I have looked at the Israeli military footage.. can someone explain to me why the alleged activists are wearing balaclavas and body armour? What a SHAM!!! those stick wielding people look to me like Israeli commandos in different clothing.. looks like a complete fabrication to me.
This one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195997.stm
That is from footage broadcast live to Turkish TV by the activists themselves. You can see them attacking the Israeli soldiers the moment they set foot on the deck. You can also see that no-one is getting shot at that point. Note in particular the Arabic dude swinging the iron rod as hard as he can at the Israeli soldier, knocking him down.
What triggered the violence? Did Israelies start blazing away with paint guns? What were those paint guns loaded with? Paint or teargas? Israel attacking in the dark of night with no press coverage makes me skeptical that they had any peaceful intentions. The proper thing to do would be to block the ship with an Israeli frigate. Once it was stopped it could be safely and calmly boarded with the firepower of a destroyer to ensure securirty.They are wearing scarves and life jackets: Look at the activists' own video. It shows the same thing: Their people beating on Israeli soldiers with iron rods.
This one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195997.stm
That is from footage broadcast live to Turkish TV by the activists themselves. You can see them attacking the Israeli soldiers the moment they set foot on the deck. You can also see that no-one is getting shot at that point. Note in particular the Arabic dude swinging the iron rod as hard as he can at the Israeli soldier, knocking him down.
So if you watch the activist video, and then the Israeli video, you can link the two together and see that the same events are represented in both videos. That gives you some confidence that the Israeli video isn't doctored in some way.What triggered the violence?
By doing that you can see that the activist started attacking before the first Israeli soldier was on the boat. No shots were being fired. In fact they beat up the first guy to land pretty badly.
I suspect there were 15 or 20 hardcore fighters who infiltrated the "peace" group and were there because they WANTED to fight with Israeli soldiers. Probably the rest of the activists were naive and unaware of the fighter's purpose.
You're proposing that instead of landing with riot control gear, they should have opened up with the heavy caliber guns on the destroyer instead?The proper thing to do would be to block the ship with an Israeli frigate. Once it was stopped it could be safely and calmly boarded with the firepower of a destroyer to ensure securirty.
I can only imagine what you would be saying now if that is what they really did.
The ships should never have been boarded in international waters. Those in command of the boarding should be going to jail. Netanyahu should have been held for the criminal act that his country has apparently committed. I believe Israel has the right to defend itself but not by breaking international law.
As long as the 'wefare checks' keep coming from Uncle Sam Israel will continue to thumb their nose at international Laws.The ships should never have been boarded in international waters. Those in command of the boarding should be going to jail. Netanyahu should have been held for the criminal act that his country has apparently committed.
What law did it break? Blockades are NORMALLY carried out in international waters.The ships should never have been boarded in international waters. Those in command of the boarding should be going to jail. Netanyahu should have been held for the criminal act that his country has apparently committed. I believe Israel has the right to defend itself but not by breaking international law.
