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Is this really progress?
Is this really progress?
Will SP's be extinct...
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That's total nonsense. There will never be artificial intelligence, machines will never supplant real live humans, and unless we clean up our act really fast, there won't be any human civilization 40 years from now.
Dani said:That is a happily married man. I assume the 82,000 plus members here are not
hmmmm wouls I likew to see the same face everytime I orgasm? For the rest of my life?
Well the right face, yes.
Change is nice, but having the best is better.
Just my random thoughts though. To each their own.
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Intelligently artificial
I don't believe true intelligence, or it's cousin, creativity, can be reproduced via a machine. However, "artificial" intelligence could happen. Big Blue beat Kasporov at chess, but "Can it make a good cup of tea?" as one philosopher quipped.
If robots can be manufactured that mimic human beings almost flawlessly, then sex with robots could happen. As long as the ruse works, it works. (How many guys have got a BJ from a young lass who turned out to be a lad?)
These robots may not need to be anywhere close to flawless. There are men who order life size anatomically correct dolls. The skin on these dolls feels like human skin. Dolls that are replicas of celibrities can be ordered. The sex organs can be anatomical replicas of specific people, e.g. porn stars. The price is well over $7,000. The guys who order these dolls sleep with them, take them out in public on dates and take them to their friend's for parties etc. Sounds totally nuts, but it happens. So sex with robots can't be that far off. I guess it depends on how successful one is at buying into an illusion, e.g. the Bush administration, but I digress.
I don't believe true intelligence, or it's cousin, creativity, can be reproduced via a machine. However, "artificial" intelligence could happen. Big Blue beat Kasporov at chess, but "Can it make a good cup of tea?" as one philosopher quipped.
If robots can be manufactured that mimic human beings almost flawlessly, then sex with robots could happen. As long as the ruse works, it works. (How many guys have got a BJ from a young lass who turned out to be a lad?)
These robots may not need to be anywhere close to flawless. There are men who order life size anatomically correct dolls. The skin on these dolls feels like human skin. Dolls that are replicas of celibrities can be ordered. The sex organs can be anatomical replicas of specific people, e.g. porn stars. The price is well over $7,000. The guys who order these dolls sleep with them, take them out in public on dates and take them to their friend's for parties etc. Sounds totally nuts, but it happens. So sex with robots can't be that far off. I guess it depends on how successful one is at buying into an illusion, e.g. the Bush administration, but I digress.
Well, I think we've all had sp encounters that we would describe as "mechanical" lol so a robot isn't far off......
AI was all about humanlike robots and there was another B movie made, Debbie2000 or Candy2000 something like where the premise was that a pleasure robot ended up developing feelings.....
As for those that say it'll never happen, heck, people have been saying that about just about everything. Didn't someone in the 60's say that the star trek commincators would never happen? (cellphones) and someone else said that a PC is just a toy and no one would ever want one in their home....oh yeah, as for the one who said man would never fly, I think we're doing a pretty good job of that these days.....
Honestly though, I don't think we'll survive long enough as a species to be able to replicate AI or a robot that is capable of 1/100th of the things we humans are capable of.....
AI was all about humanlike robots and there was another B movie made, Debbie2000 or Candy2000 something like where the premise was that a pleasure robot ended up developing feelings.....
As for those that say it'll never happen, heck, people have been saying that about just about everything. Didn't someone in the 60's say that the star trek commincators would never happen? (cellphones) and someone else said that a PC is just a toy and no one would ever want one in their home....oh yeah, as for the one who said man would never fly, I think we're doing a pretty good job of that these days.....
Honestly though, I don't think we'll survive long enough as a species to be able to replicate AI or a robot that is capable of 1/100th of the things we humans are capable of.....
Electro Gonorrhea: The Noisy Killer
Don't date robots!
Why did it take 15 posts for this choice Futurama joke?
Don't date robots!
Why did it take 15 posts for this choice Futurama joke?
Most reasonably intelligent skeptics and cynics have accepted the impossibility of machines exhibiting true intelligence since the earliest days of electronics. Meanwhile, technology has advanced uninhibited towards that inevitability...
It's a process that has continued at a mathematically constant rate, not just since the beginning of computing... not just since the beginning of electronics... not just since the beginning of mechanics... not just since the beginning of mathematics... not just since the beginning of civilization... not just since the beginning of humanity... but since the beginning of life. Yep... the computational power of life on earth has been increasing at a consistent rate for about 4 billion years. Read Ray Kurzweil's "The Age of Spiritual Machines" for details and in-depth analysis of the trend.
It's really excellent how humanity never ceases to be so arrogant as to imagine that they are the pinnacle of that process. In the late 80s, Kurzweil predicted that within a few years, a machine would beat the world's chess champion (which was then unthinkable). But what's really cool is that he also predicted how we would react: not by increasing our respect for machine intelligence, but by decreasing our respect for chess.
Since then, we've developed "neural nets," computers capable of recognizing faces or finger-prints... again, once considered impossible for any kind of machine, no matter how sophisticated. Experts have been fooled by paintings and new "Bach" compositions made by machines. Major break-throughs are due any day in organic computing, evolutionary algorthyms, nanotechnology, and quantum computing. Any of those will represent a leap forward in computing about an order of magnitude greater than the invention of the silicon chip.
Ten years ago, in the above-mentioned book, Kurzweil did the math and worked out when augmented humans and intelligent machines would be at very similar levels of intelligence: 2049.
So the dude in the article originally posted is only 10 years late in making a similar prediction! lol Not only are real, intelligent "machines" inevitable, the only real way we can stop it happening in the long term is to end all life on Earth! Which, granted, there's still a chance we'll manage to do...
It's a process that has continued at a mathematically constant rate, not just since the beginning of computing... not just since the beginning of electronics... not just since the beginning of mechanics... not just since the beginning of mathematics... not just since the beginning of civilization... not just since the beginning of humanity... but since the beginning of life. Yep... the computational power of life on earth has been increasing at a consistent rate for about 4 billion years. Read Ray Kurzweil's "The Age of Spiritual Machines" for details and in-depth analysis of the trend.
It's really excellent how humanity never ceases to be so arrogant as to imagine that they are the pinnacle of that process. In the late 80s, Kurzweil predicted that within a few years, a machine would beat the world's chess champion (which was then unthinkable). But what's really cool is that he also predicted how we would react: not by increasing our respect for machine intelligence, but by decreasing our respect for chess.
Since then, we've developed "neural nets," computers capable of recognizing faces or finger-prints... again, once considered impossible for any kind of machine, no matter how sophisticated. Experts have been fooled by paintings and new "Bach" compositions made by machines. Major break-throughs are due any day in organic computing, evolutionary algorthyms, nanotechnology, and quantum computing. Any of those will represent a leap forward in computing about an order of magnitude greater than the invention of the silicon chip.
Ten years ago, in the above-mentioned book, Kurzweil did the math and worked out when augmented humans and intelligent machines would be at very similar levels of intelligence: 2049.
So the dude in the article originally posted is only 10 years late in making a similar prediction! lol Not only are real, intelligent "machines" inevitable, the only real way we can stop it happening in the long term is to end all life on Earth! Which, granted, there's still a chance we'll manage to do...
Spiritual Machines
I have heard of that book, but not bothered to give it a read. Thanks for prodding my interest.
How was "our" respect for chess measured? Did chess memberships drop? I find the claim somewhat unbelievable, but that is a digression from the point.
Roger Penrose (a mathematician) put forth a good argument against AI. See his book the Emperor's New Mind. He claims that are logical conundrums that cannot be deciphered mechanically. A machine would need to transcend itself to solve these problems.
I DO believe that machines may one day be indecipherable from human beings in regards to outward appearances, e.g. walking, talking, making jokes etc. But there will always be a subtle difference. Measuring the difference might become so difficult as to be impossible. In which case, the point may be moot.
Going back to the lack of interest in chess, if robots become better lovers than people, will people also lose interest in sex? If they do, what will they do instead? Play chess?
I have heard of that book, but not bothered to give it a read. Thanks for prodding my interest.
How was "our" respect for chess measured? Did chess memberships drop? I find the claim somewhat unbelievable, but that is a digression from the point.
Roger Penrose (a mathematician) put forth a good argument against AI. See his book the Emperor's New Mind. He claims that are logical conundrums that cannot be deciphered mechanically. A machine would need to transcend itself to solve these problems.
I DO believe that machines may one day be indecipherable from human beings in regards to outward appearances, e.g. walking, talking, making jokes etc. But there will always be a subtle difference. Measuring the difference might become so difficult as to be impossible. In which case, the point may be moot.
Going back to the lack of interest in chess, if robots become better lovers than people, will people also lose interest in sex? If they do, what will they do instead? Play chess?
Vonlabrat: are you sure you (and Kurzweil) are not making referece to Moore's Law? If so, it would be more accurate to say that the compuational power available has been increasing (geometrically,and not at a mathematically constant rate - much faster than that) since the development of life on Earth.
Increased computational power does not necessarily imply intelligence - although it is a necessary pre-condition for it - any more than the explosive power of 10,000 tons of TNT implies a diamond mine; it might just be a 20 Megaton warhead
I'm not saying it can't, or won't happen - personally I think some form of human level AI is probably inevitable as well - but I don't think it is as cut-and-dried, or such a "sure thing" as you paint.
Increased computational power does not necessarily imply intelligence - although it is a necessary pre-condition for it - any more than the explosive power of 10,000 tons of TNT implies a diamond mine; it might just be a 20 Megaton warhead
I'm not saying it can't, or won't happen - personally I think some form of human level AI is probably inevitable as well - but I don't think it is as cut-and-dried, or such a "sure thing" as you paint.
I think a very popular Model would be "The Molly"..
..XXX1. Just be careful to set the "pressure" controls carefully, too much like the real thing and you might break something
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Molly Robinson said:
..XXX1. Just be careful to set the "pressure" controls carefully, too much like the real thing and you might break something
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