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Will North America recover economically, politically, culturally?

GotGusto

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I'll be back later. If someone hasn't posted an answer by that time, we will know to take anything he says with a grain of salt. He does not know that which he speaks.
 

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Say hi to Fuji for us.
Although upsetting him is easy and kind of fun, I would feel really bad if I found out later that he had some kind of heart condition that I was aggravating.
 

Dragon.i

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They say that the Devil is in the details. Indeed. Indeed...

In case you missed it:

Let me give you a project and you can reveal to all Terbites just how much (or little) you know about facts and effects of policy.

Let's begin with some facts: A policy to welcome new immigrants into Canada.

"Canada plans to welcome between 240,000 and 265,000 new permanent residents in 2010."
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/DEPARTMENT/media/releases/2009/2009-10-30.asp

What are the effects of this policy of admitting 265k immigrants into Canada in 2010?

Answer this question any way you please but make your answer as complete as possible. This is an opportunity for our resident economist 'someone' to enlighten all Terbites.
Population increase.
 

Dragon.i

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I thought the debate was on: Will North America recover economically, politically, culturally?
 

Rockslinger

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Our society has a very low birth rate. There is a demographic bulge in our population that is often referred to as the baby boomers. We are now approaching retirement. Thanks to the hard work of immigrants, there may yet be some kind of a pension plan in the future. The same is true of health care. Our aging population is going to need more health care. We need more young and productive people support this bulge as we age.
Immigration is a very delicate balancing act. As a son of immigrant parents (bless them), I love this great country as much and maybe more than most native born Canadians. I started a thread on "Fillipino Immigrants" a short while back and almost every single poster spoke positively about them.

Lack of immigration could cause Canada to be another Japan or Russia which are aging and depopulating quickly. Also, Russian men start dying off in their 50's. These countries are not attractive to immigrants for a number of reasons. The PRC and India are self-perpetuating so they don't need immigrants.
 

Rockslinger

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As a Canadian, natural resources is the least of my worries. We are an extremely large country rich in natural resources and fresh water with a small population. We will only be richer in natural resources when we open up the Canadian Arctic. Our children will inherit an extremely rich country. My hope is that they manage it wisely.
 

GotGusto

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Although upsetting him is easy and kind of fun, I would feel really bad if I found out later that he had some kind of heart condition that I was aggravating.
Fact #1: I just finished having sex with a beautiful 22 year old for 1 hour. All for the low price of $160. I feel terrific.

Fact #2: There is no history of heart trouble in my family and I'm relatively young.

Fact #3: You will never answer my direct question and we both know why. blackrock13 does, too. You will deflect, obfuscate, defer, belittle, all to no avail.

It's ok. Just think of it as a humbling experience.

 

Rockslinger

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I firmly believe that Canada's best days are yet to come. Our future will be greater than our past and our past has been pretty good but our future will be even better.
 

blackrock13

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Fact #1: I just finished having sex with a beautiful 22 year old for 1 hour. All for the low price of $160. I feel terrific.

Fact #2: There is no history of heart trouble in my family and I'm relatively young.

Fact #3: You will never answer my direct question and we both know why. blackrock13 does, too. You will deflect, obfuscate, belittle, all to no avail.

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It's ok. Just think of it as a humbling experience.

Not that I'm an export on this kind of thing, since I don't hobby, but from what I get from other posters, that a lot to pay for a BJ or a really cheap FS. Each to his own.

Never seen that gif before. I bet you've been saving that one for something special like losing your cherry. Congratulation.
 

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Got Gusto, see post 140 for my response.

Blackrock, I am curious as to why you would be here if you don’t hobby I’ll leave it to a more appropriate time to ask.
 

WoodPeckr

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Blackrock, I am curious as to why you would be here if you don’t hobby
LOL!

Probably for the same reason bottie is here. Mybe they are both still in the hobby closet. You know how cons like their closets....
 

GotGusto

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Not that I'm an export on this kind of thing, since I don't hobby, but from what I get from other posters, that a lot to pay for a BJ or a really cheap FS. Each to his own.
It is cheap for a quality girl.

Never seen that gif before. I bet you've been saving that one for something special like losing your cherry. Congratulation.
I've used it once before on this board. Can't lose your cherry twice.
 

blackrock13

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LOL!

Probably for the same reason bottie is here. Mybe they are both still in the hobby closet. You know how cons like their closets....
'Blackrock, I am curious as to why you would be here if you don’t hobby I’ll leave it to a more appropriate time to ask.'


It's a fair question and has been asked a couple of times before, most recently by the invisible, but I'm sure not gone, Gyaos. Someday someone. I wouldn't want to be accused of hijacking this thread. There are others in the same boat. It's not common, but I wouldn't call it strange.

As for popping a cherry twice there all sorts of examples of that being the case.
 

HafDun

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what an interesting read this thread is. until 'someone' had to ruin it, that is
id like to see it back on track. in particular, a comment made by ceiling cat, about preparing for the future
(sorry the quote button would be handy now, but alas)

this topic interests me greatly. a question to all:
given your opinions, what are you doing to prepare for the changes ahead?
Well because you asked so nicely, and because I could just sit and watch your slide show all day, my answer to your question.

I think the answer is not will North America recover. The answer is how will it look when it does. We are all cruising towards the perfect storm. Our planet has probably already passed the state of Peak Oil. That beiing when extraction of oil exceeds discover of new resources. The current low price of oil is only artificial because of the major reduction in economic activity resulting from the credit crunch of 2008/2009. When our economies kick back into gear, the demand for oil will increase and the global demand will push prices to unprecedented levels causing a whole new set of problems. The other major factor we need to recognize is Climate change. We have pushed our planet to the limit and without serious reductions in carbon emissions into our atmoshere, we might very soon hit the tipping point causing the sixth major extinction that has occurred in this planet's long history.

Now, given all that depressing news, I believe there is hope, and thus my answer to your question. I have for some time now, been reducing my carbon footprint. I have reduced the energy consumption of my home by 50% over 2006 levels and and by driving a more energy efficient car, and using it considerably less, I have reduced my fuel consumption by 75% below what I used in 2004. I travel less and rarely fly anymore. ( I used to have AC Elite status). I reduce the amount of waste I generate by being more conscious of excessive packaging, buying less useless 'stuff', recycle everything and use recycled materials whenever possible. I read labels to ensure I am buying products that are Eco friendly. Fair trade products, organic foods, and merchandise built with sustainable materials and, when applicable, Energy Star rated. I continue to find ways to be more energy efficient. I plan to take advantage of the provincial Micro FIT (Feed In Tariff) program and install solar on my roof. Anyone who owns their roof should be doing the same. I am also going to grow my own vegetables. Even apartment owners with south facing balconies can produce some interesting results. "Square foot" gardens which are typically 2 ft x 2 ft can produce some healthy returns.
I also believe that as we look for alternatives to oil for all the things it gives us, we will revert back to more localized, slower economies. We will need to reduce our excessive appetite for energy, then look for alternative technologies to replace lower levels of consumption. That will include things like more localized food production, localized sustainable energy production and relearning some of the skills our parents and grandparents took for granted. Things like darning socks and canning food rather than buying produce from thousands of miles away and throwing out anything that is the least bit used.

If you don't know what to do, try the Green Living show in April at the Direct Energy Center, Exhibition Place. You will find some of the best and latest ideas on reducing your carbon footprint and living a more Eco sensitive life.
http://www.greenlivingonline.com/torontoshow/index.html

Now let me watch your slide show just one more time.
 

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Well because you asked so nicely, and because I could just sit and watch your slide show all day, my answer to your question.

I think the answer is not will North America recover. The answer is how will it look when it does. We are all cruising towards the perfect storm. Our planet has probably already passed the state of Peak Oil. That beiing when extraction of oil exceeds discover of new resources. The current low price of oil is only artificial because of the major reduction in economic activity resulting from the credit crunch of 2008/2009. When our economies kick back into gear, the demand for oil will increase and the global demand will push prices to unprecedented levels causing a whole new set of problems. The other major factor we need to recognize is Climate change. We have pushed our planet to the limit and without serious reductions in carbon emissions into our atmoshere, we might very soon hit the tipping point causing the sixth major extinction that has occurred in this planet's long history.

Now, given all that depressing news, I believe there is hope, and thus my answer to your question. I have for some time now, been reducing my carbon footprint. I have reduced the energy consumption of my home by 50% over 2006 levels and and by driving a more energy efficient car, and using it considerably less, I have reduced my fuel consumption by 75% below what I used in 2004. I travel less and rarely fly anymore. ( I used to have AC Elite status). I reduce the amount of waste I generate by being more conscious of excessive packaging, buying less useless 'stuff', recycle everything and use recycled materials whenever possible. I read labels to ensure I am buying products that are Eco friendly. Fair trade products, organic foods, and merchandise built with sustainable materials and, when applicable, Energy Star rated. I continue to find ways to be more energy efficient. I plan to take advantage of the provincial Micro FIT (Feed In Tariff) program and install solar on my roof. Anyone who owns their roof should be doing the same. I am also going to grow my own vegetables. Even apartment owners with south facing balconies can produce some interesting results. "Square foot" gardens which are typically 2 ft x 2 ft can produce some healthy returns.
I also believe that as we look for alternatives to oil for all the things it gives us, we will revert back to more localized, slower economies. We will need to reduce our excessive appetite for energy, then look for alternative technologies to replace lower levels of consumption. That will include things like more localized food production, localized sustainable energy production and relearning some of the skills our parents and grandparents took for granted. Things like darning socks and canning food rather than buying produce from thousands of miles away and throwing out anything that is the least bit used.

If you don't know what to do, try the Green Living show in April at the Direct Energy Center, Exhibition Place. You will find some of the best and latest ideas on reducing your carbon footprint and living a more Eco sensitive life.
http://www.greenlivingonline.com/torontoshow/index.html

Now let me watch your slide show just one more time.
I agree with your prognosis for the planet and commend you on the steps you have taken to be more eco and social justice friendly. I myself have done and continue to do many of the things that you described. I wish more people would take the challenges you described more seriously.
 

HafDun

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Thanks Questor

I think more people will take things seriously when oil hits $200 or $300 a barrel. Sad that we wait until our pocket book drives our motivation instead of just doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do.
For those that think there is some new oil reserves waiting out there to be discovered, there hasn't been a major new oil reserve discovered in 40 years. Saudi oil wells, at their peak require the equivalent of one barrel of oil to produce 100 barrels of crude, a return of 100 to 1. By comparison, the tar sands require one barrel of oil to produce six barrels of oil, a return of only 6 to one and that doesn't take into account the massive amount of water required to process the tar or the extra energy required to refine low quality crude for the tar sands.

And even my considerably reduced carbon footprint is a joke compared to perhaps 75% of the people on the planet.

We all need to do better.
 

blackrock13

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LOL!

Probably for the same reason bottie is here. Mybe they are both still in the hobby closet. You know how cons like their closets....
So now I'm a con. I wish you guys would make up your minds. Especially political specialist like you Woodie. So far on Terb, I've been call a nazi, a communist, a left lean liberal and now a conservative. So which is it? I've already stated my thoughts on this when MrBig1942 and/or Gyaos went off on me one day with the same comments and it really hasn't changed., but hearing you guys put me in every camp, save the fascist, just to suit your comment de jour is laughable. I've never been a closet anything.
 

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.....I've never been a closet anything.
Well you do admit to being a closet hobbyist.
Did you come out of that closet?
Are you hobbying now?....
 
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