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Revenge...I just heard this on TV...Trump know's he lost but is still pissed at the Democrats with the Russian investigation, impeachment, etc, thinking it delegitimized his 2016 win so he is doing the same to Biden.
 

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Revenge...I just heard this on TV...Trump know's he lost but is still pissed at the Democrats with the Russian investigation, impeachment, etc, thinking it delegitimized his 2016 win so he is doing the same to Biden.
You give him too much credit.
Trump really believes Rudy is the best lawyer ever and that he's got an elite strike force legal team.

 
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You give him too much credit.
Trump really believes Rudy is the best lawyer ever and that he's got an elite strike force legal team.

I don't think he believes that. It's just difficult to put together a group of villains, particularly when they must be lawyers who usually care about keeping license to practice law. Especially after a whole bunch of his old buddies went to jail and it's pretty clear where this is going in a basket.
 

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I don't think he believes that. It's just difficult to put together a group of villains, particularly when they must be lawyers who usually care about keeping license to practice law. Especially after a whole bunch of his old buddies went to jail and it's pretty clear where this is going in a basket.
The lawyers won't believe it, I agree.
But Trump is a bullshitter who believes his own bullshit.

 

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No. He is not doing this just for revenge. He is seriously trying to reverse the election results by any means necessary. Which is why losing badly in the courts, his next strategy is to get states not to certify, starting with meeting the Michigan GOP in the White House tomorrow. He is going to fight until January 20, 2021.
I don't know...
 

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No. He is not doing this just for revenge. He is seriously trying to reverse the election results by any means necessary. Which is why losing badly in the courts, his next strategy is to get states not to certify, starting with meeting the Michigan GOP in the White House tomorrow. He is going to fight until January 20, 2021.
I don't think that he believes that he has any serious chance of reversing it other than perhaps his hope for a hail Mary in the SCOTUS. More likely he is doing it to cement the sense of grievance for his base in anticipation of remaining in control of the party and for his personal gain with some media enterprise. He is raising a lot of money from this and it will wind up in a PAC that he controls. They will probably spend a lot of time and money in his hotels but that is another matter.
 

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Donato is very good at making others fall into his vortex, whether political opponents or allies.

Never underestimate him. He has a lot to lose if he leaves the WH, creating an Imperial Presidency is his goal and he'll destroy America's democracy to do it. William Barr is presently laying low, he may be disbarred for sharing that belief.
 

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Please let’s pay attention. He has invited GOP members of the Michigan legislature to the White House tomorrow to get them to nullify the votes and elect Trump delegates. Then the Democratic governor can also elect Biden delegates creating a whole stinking confusion. He is going to try everything to stay in power. EVERYTHING!
I don't doubt he is trying. I do not believe he thinks he will succeed.
 

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I don't doubt he is trying. I do not believe he thinks he will succeed.
if you put connect the way he works, Ukraine call is the same. i am surprise as history will be very bad for this POTUS. i just don't know what his end game is. i know it is financial for him. will this create that grievance so he can talk about this on his cable network for the next four year. there is speculation that he will do rally for a fee.
 

toguy5252

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if you put connect the way he works, Ukraine call is the same. i am surprise as history will be very bad for this POTUS. i just don't know what his end game is. i know it is financial for him. will this create that grievance so he can talk about this on his cable network for the next four year. there is speculation that he will do rally for a fee.
Whatever his endgame you can be sure it involves money and self-aggrandizement. I believe that history will show him to be the worst president in at least rent history. To his acolytes' that will make no difference and they will blame it on the media or the deep state or some other bogey man. To them he will always be the second coming. And to him his flock will always be just the lambs that he can fleece even if he has to watch 250K people die to prove his power over them.
 

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Whatever his endgame you can be sure it involves money and self-aggrandizement. I believe that history will show him to be the worst president in at least rent history. To his acolytes' that will make no difference and they will blame it on the media or the deep state or some other bogey man. To them he will always be the second coming. And to him his flock will always be just the lambs that he can fleece even if he has to watch 250K people die to prove his power over them.
yes, it is always about money. that is why he cannot understand why soldiers serve and die, what in it for them. self serving. but that is most people. But his is not most people. We are watching him put a road map on how to tear down a democracy. That cannot be an endgame.
 
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I am afraid you haven’t been paying attention. Read “Disloyal” by Michael Cohen and “Fear” by Bob Woodward, as I have, or listen to the several Mary Trump interviews on YT and see whether he thinks he will succeed.

Like Insidious Von said, he will destroy American democracy if he has to.
He now has the entire RNC backing his lie that he won.

 

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When they asked her to substantiate, she said not to expect the evidence to be presented to the media. But since they haven’t presented it in court either, then where the hell are they going to present the evidence?
They don't need to present the evidence. They just need people to know they have the evidence so subverting democracy is totally justified.
 
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When they asked her to substantiate, she said not to expect the evidence to be presented to the media. But since they haven’t presented it in court either, then where the hell are they going to present the evidence?
Same as in court, but the court cases are their for their base and the GOP, to justify overturning electors not to win legal battles.
Before Trump’s Pennsylvania election lawsuit went to oral arguments, the campaign radically trimmed its original complaint, which used variations of the phrase voter fraud some 33 times.

In the clip immediately above, Aronchick notes that their amended complaint deleted every reference to that topic.

“They took all 33 out of their amended complaint,” Aronchick said. “Mr. Giuliani is talking about another case, not the case before your honor. Some invented case. Some fantasy world, but the case before your honor, they removed all the [fraud] allegations.”

“Gone,” Aronchick added for emphasis.
 

Valcazar

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Michigan, Minnesota - it's all the same, right?

 

toguy5252

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I am afraid you haven’t been paying attention. Read “Disloyal” by Michael Cohen and “Fear” by Bob Woodward, as I have, or listen to the several Mary Trump interviews on YT and see whether he thinks he will succeed.

Like Insidious Von said, he will destroy American democracy if he has to.
I am not disagreeing with you.
 

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Michigan, Minnesota - it's all the same, right?

Stupid errors like that will kill the court cases but then OAN and newsmax will say its just the deep state.
Its all to build enough support from his base to back overturning electors.
 
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