Why Religion Fails
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This whole thread is you complaining.
And ignoring the science that is teaching us the value of religion.
You are clearly a very unhappy man. "Hate thy neighbour" seems to be your mantra...
Ok so "you" decide to open a book store in a ethnic neighborhood in Greater Toronto that flies in the face of community standards to you believe the same might happen to that bookstore as well?
You seem to be confusing several different ideas, what is legal may not be sensible (a legal in terms of zoning adult bookstore, in a neighborhood which is violently opposed to it). Community standards on the part of a religious community are not the same as religious prejudice.
in Canada community standards is not a valid argument
recent ruling on swinger clubs
The judges, in a 7-2 ruling, said the test for indecency is the harm it causes, and not simply community standards.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2005/12/21/SCOC-swingers-051221.html
Are you having a dense day...or did you miss my link above showing that religion helps people recover from brain injuries?
Or is it your normal pattern of ignoring facts you don't like, so your hate-fest can continue?
I noticed you failed to acknowledge the thread on the science that connects atheism and autism.
You don't seem to have much of a grasp on any realm...except complaining.
If only that had been what Ardy was talking about your comment might make sense...
autism is caused by genetic mutations
the idea that religion helps brain injury victims recover is flawed and already debunked
http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2011/07/religion-doesnt-help-traumatic-brain.html
and spirituality is linked to brain damage
http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2008/12/spirituality-linked-to-brain-damage.html
Well, a new study by Brick Johnstone and Bret Glass at the University of Missouri-Columbia has found that people with evidence of brain damage to their right parietal lobes score higher on a standard measure of spirituality.
adult movie stores are legal in CanadaThat's nice.
Now how about going back and re-reading what I wrote.
No debunking in your links, the study still stands.
And what does the second study by Johnstone and Glass mean? What is it saying in our context?
no the study shows that brain damaged folks are more likely to be religious and hisoty proves this. the founder of the seventh day adventist church Ellen G white became religious after she suffered from head trauma and started hallucinating
Head injury
At the age of nine, Ellen was struck with a rock thrown by a fellow student. The injury severely disfigured her nose, and left her in a coma for three weeks.[11]
When Ellen Harmon had her first "conversion experience," she would later write:
"This misfortune, which for a time seemed so bitter and was so hard to bear, has proved to be a blessing in disguise. The cruel blow which blighted the joys of earth, was the means of turning my eyes to heaven. I might never had known Jesus, had not the sorrow that clouded my early years led me to seek comfort in him." Review and Herald, Nov. 25, 1884, par.2
Shortly after her injury, Ellen, with her parents, attended a Methodist camp meeting at Buxton, Maine, and there, at the age of 12, she was converted. Two years later, on June 26, 1842, at her request she was baptized in the ocean by immersion.
You don't even know how to handle scientific data do you? Pathetic.
Let me help you.
One story of a person who was hit in the head with a rock who had a conversion experience does not "history proves it" makes. It is one story.
What we know right now, is that a certain part of the brain seems to be associated with our belief in things spiritual (much of this fine work has been done in Canada by the way). And when that part of the brain is damaged, in some cases, it can lead to more spiritual feelings.
But there is no science or medicine that disproves the thesis that religion helps people's health in various circumstances.
And you may not like the tie in between autism and atheism and it is real. And the proposed explanation, which I trust you have not read of tried to understand, is quite interesting.
http://psychcentral.com/news/2011/06/09/numerous-genetic-factors-tied-to-autism/26801.html
Numerous Genetic Factors Tied to Autism
A collaborative study has found that hundreds of small genetic variations are associated with autism spectrum disorders.
The study buttresses the theory that autism is not caused by one or two major genetic defects, but by many small variations, each associated with a small percentage of cases.
Matthew State, M.D., Ph.D., led the research team in their review of more than 1,000 families in which there was a single child with an autism spectrum disorder, an unaffected sibling and unaffected parents.
The team compared individuals with autism to their siblings to determine what types of genetic changes distinguished the affected child from the unaffected child.
“Thanks to an ambitious collaboration among a large group of autism researchers from around the country, supported by the Simons Foundation, we were able to focus on an ideal study population,” said State, co-director of the Yale Program on Neurogenetics. “It made all the difference in our ability to identify several regions of the genome clearly contributing to autism.”
The study is published in the journal Neuron.
One of the most intriguing of these findings points to the same small section of the genome that causes Williams syndrome—a developmental disorder marked by high sociability and an unusual aptitude for music.
“In autism, there is an increase in the chromosomal material, an extra copy of this region, and in Williams syndrome, there’s a loss of that same material,” said State.
“What makes this observation particularly interesting is that Williams syndrome is known for a personality type that is highly empathetic, social, and sensitive to the emotional state of others. Individuals with autism often have difficulties in the opposite direction.
“This suggests that there is an important key in that region to understanding the nature of the social brain.”
State and his team also found about 30 other regions in the genome that are very likely contributing to autism; a half-dozen of those regions showed the strongest evidence.
“We’re now moving on to a second phase of the study looking at an additional 1,600 families and should be able to identify multiple new regions that are strongly implicated in autism,” he said.
The researchers are optimistic about the new findings, pointing out that genetics is the first step to understanding what’s really going on at the molecular and cellular level of the brain.
“We can use these genetic findings to begin unraveling the underlying biology of autism,” said Sanders. “This will help tremendously in the effort to identify new and better approaches to treatment.”
Autism's Tangled Genetics Full of Rare and Varied Mutations
Several new studies highlight the complexity of autism's genetic roots, revealing why it strikes boys more than girls and offering clues for possible new treatments
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=autism-genetic-mutations
Numerous Genetic Factors Tied to Autism
A collaborative study has found that hundreds of small genetic variations are associated with autism spectrum disorders.
The study buttresses the theory that autism is not caused by one or two major genetic defects, but by many small variations, each associated with a small percentage of cases.
Matthew State, M.D., Ph.D., led the research team in their review of more than 1,000 families in which there was a single child with an autism spectrum disorder, an unaffected sibling and unaffected parents.
The team compared individuals with autism to their siblings to determine what types of genetic changes distinguished the affected child from the unaffected child.
“Thanks to an ambitious collaboration among a large group of autism researchers from around the country, supported by the Simons Foundation, we were able to focus on an ideal study population,” said State, co-director of the Yale Program on Neurogenetics. “It made all the difference in our ability to identify several regions of the genome clearly contributing to autism.”
The study is published in the journal Neuron.
One of the most intriguing of these findings points to the same small section of the genome that causes Williams syndrome—a developmental disorder marked by high sociability and an unusual aptitude for music.
“In autism, there is an increase in the chromosomal material, an extra copy of this region, and in Williams syndrome, there’s a loss of that same material,” said State.
“What makes this observation particularly interesting is that Williams syndrome is known for a personality type that is highly empathetic, social, and sensitive to the emotional state of others. Individuals with autism often have difficulties in the opposite direction.
“This suggests that there is an important key in that region to understanding the nature of the social brain.”
State and his team also found about 30 other regions in the genome that are very likely contributing to autism; a half-dozen of those regions showed the strongest evidence.
“We’re now moving on to a second phase of the study looking at an additional 1,600 families and should be able to identify multiple new regions that are strongly implicated in autism,” he said.
The researchers are optimistic about the new findings, pointing out that genetics is the first step to understanding what’s really going on at the molecular and cellular level of the brain.
“We can use these genetic findings to begin unraveling the underlying biology of autism,” said Sanders. “This will help tremendously in the effort to identify new and better approaches to treatment.”
Autism's Tangled Genetics Full of Rare and Varied Mutations
Several new studies highlight the complexity of autism's genetic roots, revealing why it strikes boys more than girls and offering clues for possible new treatments
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=autism-genetic-mutations
You really arn't getting this are you?
Nobody has suggested atheism causes autism...we are not talking about cause we are talking about effect. You have this whole thing ass backwards!
'Disgust' of Christian GP accused of 'crossing the line' by discussing faith in surgery
A Christian GP who asked a troubled patient if he had considered faith in Jesus said today he was 'disgusted' with medical watchdogs for pursuing the case against him.
Richard Scott said the General Medical Council (GMC), which brought the case against him, had an 'anti-Christian bias' as his hearing was adjourned because the patient refused to attend.
Dr Scott, 51, a committed Christian who has worked as a medical missionary in Kenya and Africa, spoke about religion to the 24-year-old, who has been described as 'suicidal' and 'vulnerable', at the end of a consultation at his surgery in Margate, Kent, in August 2010.
After allegedly being told 'Go for it' by the patient, the Cambridge-educated GP is said to have told him faith in Christianity may help him overcome personal problems.
But during a two-day hearing GMC lawyers claimed the GP 'crossed the line' in discussing his own personal religious beliefs with a vulnerable patient and even suggesting the patient might benefit from a Christian faith above his own religion.
The patient, who was seen by the GP at the Bethesda Medical Centre in Margate, was left 'very upset' and felt Dr Scott had 'belittled' his own faith, the GMC heard, and made a complaint.
Patient A, whose identity has not been made public, decided not to attend the hearing. His own religious affiliation has not been disclosed.
He told GMC lawyers he would not attend 'for a million pounds' and it would be a 'big inconvenience'.
Dr Scott's lawyer, Paul Diamond, asked for the hearing to be stayed as an abuse of process.
Mr Diamond said the doctor could not get a 'fair trial' with the only witness able to make a complaint but not willing to give evidence.
But the GMC decided to adjourn the hearing to make another attempt to get the patient to a resumed hearing in Manchester.
After the decision, a clearly upset Dr Scott said: 'I'm actually not only disappointed, I'm disgusted with my professional body.'
The married GP is one of six Christian partners at a medical centre which states on its website that spiritual matters are likely to be discussed with patients during consultations.
The GMC placed an official warning on Dr Scott’s file as a ‘compromise’. But the GP, a doctor for 28 years, is calling on the GMC to strike out the complaint because it was made by the patient’s mother.
Dr Scott claims she is not qualified to comment on what treatment a medical practitioner should prescribe her son.
Dr Scott, whose wife Heather, 50, is also a doctor, said: ‘By appealing against the decision, it will go to a public hearing. But it is worth the risk as I wanted to do this because there is a bigger picture.
‘I wanted to give confidence and inspiration to other Christians who work in the medical profession.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-GMC-accuse-crossing-line.html#ixzz1YoTlTawd
A Christian GP who asked a troubled patient if he had considered faith in Jesus said today he was 'disgusted' with medical watchdogs for pursuing the case against him.
Richard Scott said the General Medical Council (GMC), which brought the case against him, had an 'anti-Christian bias' as his hearing was adjourned because the patient refused to attend.
Dr Scott, 51, a committed Christian who has worked as a medical missionary in Kenya and Africa, spoke about religion to the 24-year-old, who has been described as 'suicidal' and 'vulnerable', at the end of a consultation at his surgery in Margate, Kent, in August 2010.
After allegedly being told 'Go for it' by the patient, the Cambridge-educated GP is said to have told him faith in Christianity may help him overcome personal problems.
But during a two-day hearing GMC lawyers claimed the GP 'crossed the line' in discussing his own personal religious beliefs with a vulnerable patient and even suggesting the patient might benefit from a Christian faith above his own religion.
The patient, who was seen by the GP at the Bethesda Medical Centre in Margate, was left 'very upset' and felt Dr Scott had 'belittled' his own faith, the GMC heard, and made a complaint.
Patient A, whose identity has not been made public, decided not to attend the hearing. His own religious affiliation has not been disclosed.
He told GMC lawyers he would not attend 'for a million pounds' and it would be a 'big inconvenience'.
Dr Scott's lawyer, Paul Diamond, asked for the hearing to be stayed as an abuse of process.
Mr Diamond said the doctor could not get a 'fair trial' with the only witness able to make a complaint but not willing to give evidence.
But the GMC decided to adjourn the hearing to make another attempt to get the patient to a resumed hearing in Manchester.
After the decision, a clearly upset Dr Scott said: 'I'm actually not only disappointed, I'm disgusted with my professional body.'
The married GP is one of six Christian partners at a medical centre which states on its website that spiritual matters are likely to be discussed with patients during consultations.
The GMC placed an official warning on Dr Scott’s file as a ‘compromise’. But the GP, a doctor for 28 years, is calling on the GMC to strike out the complaint because it was made by the patient’s mother.
Dr Scott claims she is not qualified to comment on what treatment a medical practitioner should prescribe her son.
Dr Scott, whose wife Heather, 50, is also a doctor, said: ‘By appealing against the decision, it will go to a public hearing. But it is worth the risk as I wanted to do this because there is a bigger picture.
‘I wanted to give confidence and inspiration to other Christians who work in the medical profession.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-GMC-accuse-crossing-line.html#ixzz1YoTlTawd
What you're upset over the new B.U. study which showed those with Asperger's syndrome are more likely to be agnostics than the general population.
While as worded above it isn't the way I would put it, - no harm no foul.
Now the real problem raises its head. This sort of proselytizing with a patient is indeed inappropriate.
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