Why is there so much violent crime in America?

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The murder rate in the United States is roughly three times higher than Canada's, and worse than some third world nations like Malaysia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Uruguay, or India. No other modern Western democracy has a violent crime rate anywhere near as bad as the US; the next worst are Switzerland and Finland, but the US murder rate is roughly 50% higher than the murder rate in those countries.

Why?
 

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fuji said:
The murder rate in the United States is roughly three times higher than Canada's, and worse than some third world nations like Malaysia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Uruguay, or India. No other modern Western democracy has a violent crime rate anywhere near as bad as the US; the next worst are Switzerland and Finland, but the US murder rate is roughly 50% higher than the murder rate in those countries.

Why?
Drugs and reporting of crimes
 

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So you think Finland under-reports murders? That Americans do more drugs than the Finns do? While possibly some third world countries under-report murder I find it hard to believe that other Western democracies do.
 

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No but I think alot of the third world countries do not.

You need to look at numbers versus population, to see the true differences.
 

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papasmerf said:
No but I think alot of the third world countries do not.

You need to look at numbers versus population, to see the true differences.
Yes I'm speaking about per-capita murder rates, numbers versus populations. So why is the US murder rate three times higher than Canada's, and 50% higher than the next nearest Western democracy?
 

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fuji said:
Yes I'm speaking about per-capita murder rates, numbers versus populations. So why is the US murder rate three times higher than Canada's, and 50% higher than the next nearest Western democracy?
Drugs and gangs. Reality is we dropped the ball over the past 30 decades when it comes to eradicating gangs.

Years back here in Buffalo we had gangs but we also had much more organized crime and them boys kept the gangs in check. Eliminate the natural predators and you have uncontrolled growth. The only way to control the growth is to hunt or introduce predators back into the locale.

Back in the day the boys did not bother the civilians the preyed on themselves and others like them.
 

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I recall my friend's dad who would say, "America's got the most freedom, but you have the most crime, and the Soviet Union has less freedom but much less crime".
Sure but I am comparing the US with other modern Western democracies. The differences in freedoms between Canada, the US, the UK, Australia, etc., are negligible but the rate of violent crime in the US is three times higher than in most democracies and 50% higher than the next most violent.
 

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But most of the murders lately are not gang related. Do you think maybe that its so easy to buy guns in America.
 

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Hugely complicated question. Two obvious factors are how easy it is to acquire tools of violence, and the self-regulated—and how do you suppose they do that?—underground economy of drugs. Of course US cultural history, practically from the moment whites arrived, has valued violence and conquest as the road to riches and ordering society. From dumping tea, to rebelling against the crown, to massacering the original inhabitants to take their land, to fighting one of the bloodiest wars ever to decide whether slavery (moreviolence) should prevail, to the KKK, and Timothy McVeigh, there's a strain in society that sees violent, or outlaw action as acceptable, and even glorifies it. Witness cop shows: How many of them get to the end without major violence? As if order could only be achieved by wiping people out.

Look at the cultures and countries with low rates of violence: I'd bet they value debate, negociation, and consistant norms of orderly behaviour. The yakuza in Japan belong to neighbourhood associations.
 

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fuji said:
The murder rate in the United States is roughly three times higher than Canada's, and worse than some third world nations like Malaysia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Uruguay, or India. No other modern Western democracy has a violent crime rate anywhere near as bad as the US; the next worst are Switzerland and Finland, but the US murder rate is roughly 50% higher than the murder rate in those countries.

Why?
Large black and hispanic communities..... not that anyone will actually say that.

For example:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/oracetab.htm

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Large black and hispanic communities..... not that anyone will actually say that.
USA 5.6 per 100,000
Spain 1.14 per 100,000
 

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poverty, drug trade, population density, access to firearms, revolving door justice system
 

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USA 5.6 per 100,000
Spain 1.14 per 100,000
in 2005 (from the link I provided) the homicide rate per 110k was White:3.5, Black 26.5

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onthebottom said:
in 2005 (from the link I provided) the homicide rate per 110k was White:3.5, Black 26.5
Wow, that is higher than in Africa (20).

PS: You dropped the spanish speaking americans without any comment???
 

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danmand said:
Wow, that is higher than in Africa (20).

PS: You dropped the spanish speaking americans without any comment???
Couldn't find a stat in less than 2 minutes.

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Couldn't find a stat in less than 2 minutes.
I wish you had said: " they are all americans"
 

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danmand said:
I wish you had said: " they are all americans"
all but about 13M of them are.

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onthebottom said:
in 2005 (from the link I provided) the homicide rate per 110k was White:3.5, Black 26.5

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Why is the US murder rate by whites nearly double the murder rate for all Canadians?
 

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Such comparisons are generaly comparing apples and oranges.

Most of us in North America would prefer not to live in a society of rigid social control such as Japan. Does that mean that we are wrong or the Japan should be remade?

Likewise the differences between the philosophies of Peace, Order and Good Government; and Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are significant.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
Such comparisons are generaly comparing apples and oranges.

Most of us in North America would prefer not to live in a society of rigid social control such as Japan. Does that mean that we are wrong or the Japan should be remade?

Likewise the differences between the philosophies of Peace, Order and Good Government; and Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are significant.
That's a wonderful point but it basically says that Americans kill each other at unprecented rates because they have the freedom to do so.
That's a fairly sobering bit of reasoning is it not?
 
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