Why I will vote liberal ........

[holden]

First off, Conservatives are willing to stand by a free vote. I suspect Same Sex marriage would have not passed if there was one, and also understand most of the people voting against Same Sex Marriage are not against gay rights. What they are against is the concept that two people of the same sex being together is a "marriage". No one in the Conservative party is against giving Same Sex couples all the rights of a married couple for married benefits. The reason some disagree with SSC being given the privledge of being Married ( no where in the Charter does it say you have a right to be "Married") I know a lot of you who think Stephen Harper is evil incarnate refuse to believe that, but that is the truth. Same Sex couples will not go away, many in the Conservative party are not against these couples, and many Conservatives believe that maybe this is an issue better left alone. That said, Harper is a man of his word, and he doesn't change his views to kiss someone's ass. Unlike Mr Martin, you will not see Harper going back and forth like a weather vane to whatever is "popular." Harper always argued lets have a free vote. Democracy, what a concept. He didn't say people would lose rights. Of course, the real dirty secret is that with SSM legislation and the way it was written, questions now are asked about people in polygamous relationships being granted these rights. When will pedophiles argue they are being discrminated against? I wont say it will happen for sure, but when you open up Marriage as to a relaitionship between any two adults, you open up other questions.

Britain did it the way we should have done it. Same Sex unions would be given all legal rights, all rights from the gov't., but don't call it a marriage. When you do that, you say marriage bonds are not about possibly raising children, but just any relationship you want it to be. This debate is pointless, and silly because many refuse to believe the obvious but the fact is with all the craziness that has gone on in Ottawa, you worrying about Same Sex marriage is number one on your priority list.

I am tired of a Canada that steals a third of my pay check to waste on a 2 billion dollar registry that does nothing to stop crime. I am tired of a Canada that sends soldiers into war zones, says they are peace keepers, tells them not to shoot anyone, tells them that their equipment which is often obsolete will have to make do because the solution is bad politcally to give them what they need. I am tired of a Canada where the party in power is legitmately caught stealing from the cookie jar, and yet had really done nothing to stop it from happening again. You have a Canada that is more pre-occupied with saying how we are not Americans by bashing them, then by showing a better way to run a country. I am tired of this attitude that a solution that WORKS somewhere else is not usuable because it is American ( Not talking about that wacky Republican stuff, it can be ANYTHING to solve ANY issue, say the Guardian Angels for starters) . I am tired of a Canada that says how kind and caring it is while letting every Indian reserve rot while their band leaders make out like bandits ( and who like Phil Fontaine ) are telling people to vote Libreal because the Conservatives are bad.

There is a ton of things to love about this country, our economy is doing well ( thanks to that awful GST we have surpluses, thanks to Free trade, both ideas from Mulroney) and we still have a lot to be proud of, but politically correct values are killing this country and one party staying in power for ever is BAD.

You guys want to not vote for Harper, fine...Vote Green or Vote the NDP. Just don't tell me about how wonderful the Libreals are. They have to be sent packing. There is a price to be paid for being in power for 13 years and doing nothing constructive that has helped anyone but themselves.

I'm tired of people whining about the liberals

 

[red]

Your point WH. Or at least your quotes.
Why is the same sex debate....The reason urban people fear the Cs?
I can't, for the life of me understand.
For many, many, many people across the country, the same sex mairrage issue was literly Rammed down their throats.
Many people were willin to give-in somewhat, if the definition of marriage remained the same. But...the government forced their hand, and now they want to be heard.
Its democracy. I'm not hard headed about this. I try to understand both sides, and I think people deserve to be heard.

rammed down your throat? were you forced to marry a man? tell us the details

 

[the shrink]

I disagree. People and their liberty are More important than the ground we walk on. .

have fun with all the liberty you have to swim around the world when its underwater a bit from now.

people and their liberty are nothing without a place to live. keep putting the ground we walk on as a second place contestant to your precious liberty(which is in no way threatened) and see where you are.

 

[Diode]

rammed down your throat? were you forced to marry a man? tell us the details

cute red. No I was not forced to marry anybody.
I was not consulted when the Government decided ( with the aid of no elected courts) to change a long understood definition of marriage.
Some people, me included don't agree that
a) common law is the same as lawful marriage
b) gay partnerships are and never will be the same as lawful marriage.

I did not say they were "bad", just not the same.
Let the people decide!

 

[Diode]

have fun with all the liberty you have to swim around the world when its underwater a bit from now.

people and their liberty are nothing without a place to live. keep putting the ground we walk on as a second place contestant to your precious liberty(which is in no way threatened) and see where you are.

You know we live in Canada, right? Ever flown over this country?
Over the US, or even Europe? There a lot of unused land around, away from he sea.

And don't sell global warming as a "fact"...there is MUCH disagreement about this concept.

 

[the shrink]

And don't sell global warming as a "fact"...there is MUCH disagreement about this concept.

not really. it is real and there is much disagreement about what is causing it there is no disagreement as to what it going on with our earth. the green party is for shit but dont ever think your liberty(which, living in canada is in no way threeatened) is more important the then earth you live on.

 

[red]

cute red. No I was not forced to marry anybody.
I was not consulted when the Government decided ( with the aid of no elected courts) to change a long understood definition of marriage.
Some people, me included don't agree that
a) common law is the same as lawful marriage
b) gay partnerships are and never will be the same as lawful marriage.

I did not say they were "bad", just not the same.
Let the people decide!

not forced to be gay or into a gay marriage. ok then tell me- how does it effect you?

 

[Diode]

not really. it is real and there is much disagreement about what is causing it there is no disagreement as to what it going on with our earth. the green party is for shit but dont ever think your liberty(which, living in canada is in no way threeatened) is more important the then earth you live on.

Substitute "God"for "Earth"
Sounds like religious bullshit to me! Many people on this board don't like the idea of "relgious people'telling them what to do with their lives. Fine, but please accept that
I don't want environment types telling me what to do with my life...

 

[red]

If I was gay I'd marry red

ok- but you buy the rings- I have paid for rings twice- thats enough

 

[Diode]

not forced to be gay or into a gay marriage. ok then tell me- how does it effect you?

Legal definitons effect us all.

 

[wrong hole]

Substitute "God"for "Earth"
Sounds like religious bullshit to me!

I feel stupid for arguing with Diode earlier - nut of wing

 

[red]

Legal definitons affect us all.

yeah. but specifically- how will it impact your life or your health. do tell.

 

[the shrink]

Substitute "God"for "Earth"
Sounds like religious bullshit to me! Many people on this board don't like the idea of "relgious people'telling them what to do with their lives. Fine, but please accept that
I don't want environment types telling me what to do with my life...

i am not an environment type. but when i see someone writing that their liberty in canada is more imooirtantr then the ground they walk on i know they are nutty.

and if you dont like "religious nuts" you wont like harper. wait untill his religious beliefs are public. this guy is a christian fundamentalist. so get ready for your hooker liberties to be cut off.

 

[Diode]

I feel stupid for arguing with Diode earlier - nut of wing

Why? Some put God before people. Some the Environment...Some Money.
People's liberty is more important than all the above.

 

[the shrink]

People's liberty is more important than all the above.

says you. i dont see anyuone else running to this argument....in fact isee quite the opposite

 

[Diode]

yeah. but specifically- how will it impact your life or your health. do tell.

Perhaps it will. Might not. I'm not sure. But does this mean only gay people should be consulted?

 

[red]

Perhaps it will. Might not. I'm not sure. But does this mean only gay people should be consulted?

You have stated that a change in the legal definition would impact all of us and therefore you were against the idea of same sex marriages. I think the real answer is that it won't have any impact on you unless you decide to play for the other team. Should only gay people be consulted? i don't think they were consulted. The SCC and the gov't of canada believe it to be a matter of personal rights. I do as well. It won't impact me at all- I don't think it diminshes my own marriage or the marriage of anyone I know- i can't even conceive of how it could.

 

[Diode]

says you. i dont see anyuone else running to this argument....in fact isee quite the opposite

No you are right. It's not a popular argument. I understand your point, but you miss mine.
What if my job involves flying around the country on sales calls. Flying is about as environmently un-sound as you can get. Terrible waste of resources just to move people.
So why not inact rules where you have to get a permit o fly?
It could happen, if the Crazy enviro types get their way. and I couldn't persue my work the way I feel most comfortable.
Just like if the crazy Fundemental's get their way. Ristricing your liberty to do as you please. To fuck who you want. It's the same dammed thing guys!
I'm not nuts...and am arguing the point to a fault,but environmentalism is the New Religion...and I'm not joining!

 

[Diode]

You have stated that a change in the legal definition would impact all of us and therefore you were against the idea of same sex marriages. I think the real answer is that it won't have any impact on you unless you decide to play for the other team. Should only gay people be consulted? i don't think they were consulted. The SCC and the gov't of canada believe it to be a matter of personal rights. I do as well. It won't impact me at all- I don't think it diminshes my own marriage or the marriage of anyone I know- i can't even conceive of how it could.

Ok red..That's great. I disagree.
Nobody ever denied the rights of gay people to marry.

 

[red]

Ok red..That's great. I disagree.
Nobody ever denied the rights of gay people to marry.

then we aren't disagreeing. they can be married.