Why Car Dependency Is Keeping You Poor

Anbarandy

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Someone in the thread suggested it would be better to live in 15min cities.
And the following is your reply:


I think this whole 15min city is designed for, and only ideal for....poor people.
You know, those who will never be able to afford a nice house on their own slice of property, who like and enjoy the freedom of driving their own vehicle.
People who will "own nothing and be happy" as the evil slogan goes.
Think about it.
Just earning enough money to get by.
No savings, no real ability to travel.
Just live in your tiny box and be able to work/eat all within a very small radius to remain compliant, and most importantly pay your taxes to keep feeding the system.
I would predict most of these types of people would be T4 employees or State supported who will never get financially ahead.
Did you all see the vids coming out of China during their tyrannical lockdowns of giant apartment buildings where they were all screaming for food.
Big element of control here and you're fooling yourself if you don't think the gov wants that.
15min cities are being promoted as convenient.
Just like other things have been promoted "for your safety".
As time moves on, and the population in Canada keeps expanding, there will be more people suited towards this 15min city concept.
It sounds depressing AF to me.
So, in light of your reply quoted above:

What in the Sam Hill are you going on about now?

 

dvous11

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And the following is your reply:



So, in light of your reply quoted above:

What in the Sam Hill are you going on about now?

LOL!!! Don't worry about it. You and your Lefty mates are gonna LOVE it! :)
 

GameBoy27

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Why car dependency is keeping me happy!

1) Total freedom to go where I want, when I want.
2) ability to stay employed.
3) able to get a get groceries (3-4 bags from 3-4 different stores) without having to drag all those bags on a bus.
4) many more reasons to mention, but I'm to lazy to type them all.
Same here. My car is paid off so no more monthly payments. A 12 month Metro Pass is $1,716 a year. My insurance $1,200. So maintenance and insurance works out to the same as a yearly Metro Pass. The only other expense is fuel which works out to $12-$14 per 100 kms in the city. Less on the highway. I have a driveway so it costs nothing to park at home. The freedom, convenience and amount of time it saves is invaluable. Car for me, all the way.

Not to mention, it costs upwards of $150 a day to rent a car now.

You also don't need to spend $40K on a car. Lots of perfectly good used cars in the $10K to $15K range.
 
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Anbarandy

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LOL!!! Don't worry about it. You and your Lefty mates are gonna LOVE it! :)
Finally, the clarity that informs and buttresses the "what in the Sam Hill are you talking about?" narrative of your posts.
 
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Anbarandy

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Same here. My car is paid off so no more monthly payments. A 12 month Metro Pass is $1,716 a year. My insurance $1,200. So maintenance and insurance works out to the same as a yearly Metro Pass. The only other expense is fuel which works out to $12-$14 per 100 kms in the city. Less on the highway. I have a driveway so it costs nothing to park at home. The freedom, convenience and amount of time it saves is invaluable. Car for me, all the way.

Not to mention, it costs upwards of $150 a day to rent a car now.

You also don't need to spend $40K on a car. Lots of perfectly good used cars in the $10K to $15K range.
Looks like you got it made in road-hellscape, congestion-palooza parade.

So, why are you always whining about every all things and ones infringing on your God given right to your piece and peace of tar?
 

GameBoy27

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Looks like you got it made in road-hellscape, congestion-palooza parade.

So, why are you always whining about every all things and ones infringing on your God given right to your piece and peace of tar?
I'll tell you, the Waze app has transformed getting around the city. It's the best driving app, hands down. For 95% of the travel I do, my car is an infinitely better mode of transportation. Saves me so much time. If you read my posts, you'll find that I complain more about the piss-poor service on the TTC than driving. My major complaint about roads, is the idea of tearing down the Gardiner and having all that traffic come to a stop. The majority of Council agrees with me in that it shouldn't be taken down.
 
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bazokajoe

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Thanks to 12 years of Conservative mayors and premiers.
The Liberals have been running the Federal government for the last 6+ years and Ontario has only been governed by the PC's for 6 and a brutal stretch of Liberals before that..
You are just too funny
 

JohnLarue

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The automobile industry wants it that way. When I was in my 20's I loved my car until I realized I wasted my money. I lived in Toronto most of my life, I didn't need a car to get to work, there's plenty of public transit. I could have rented a car for road trips to Ottawa, Montreal, and Niagara Falls. Many US cities design their cities to get around only by car. Drive 800 meters to get a bottle of ketchup, stupid. Notjustbikes is YouTuber and a city planner.

you are pretty self centric when declaring car-dependency-is-keeping-every car owner -poor

many families with kids need a vehicle
many people that visit clients or deliver materials or sell need a vehicle to earn a living
many people that live/ work in suburbs need a vehicle
just about all people that live/ work in rural areas need a vehicle.


cars / insurance / repairs / fuel can be expensive, no question
however , one can make smart choices about the vehicle , its use and maintenance

perhaps a car is not right for you (right now)
That is not a license to declare everyone else has car-dependency-keeping-them poor

BTW if have allowed your auto insurance to lapse for a few years ( i.e not been unsured for auto)
&
you suddenly find you do really need a vehicle again, (ie employment change, health change for you or a family member, or something else unexpected )

you may get treated as a first time driver for insurance $$$$$
then you will be poorer for sure
 
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Leimonis

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Because most cars cost $40,000 now?????
so a $40k car would be $20k to lease for 3 years which is say $7000 a year i.e. under $600 a month. If this is such a high amount that one would rather be taking a bus, should one even be on this board and be paying for sex?
 
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bazokajoe

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you are pretty self centric when declaring car-dependency-is-keeping-every car owner -poor

many families with kids need a vehicle
many people that visit clients or deliver materials or sell need a vehicle to earn a living
many people that live/ work in suburbs need a vehicle
just about all people that live/ work in rural areas need a vehicle.


cars / insurance / repairs / fuel can be expensive, no question
however , one can make smart choices about the vehicle , its use and maintenance

perhaps a car is not right for you (right now)
That is not a license to declare everyone else has car-dependency-keeping-them poor

BTW if have allowed your auto insurance to lapse for a few years ( i.e not been unsured for auto)
&
you suddenly find you do really need a vehicle again, (ie employment change, health change for you or a family member, or something else unexpected )

you may get treated as a first time driver for insurance $$$$$
then you will be poorer for sure
Shhhhh. Don't give him a reason to buy a car. Less people like him on the road the better for the rest of us.
 

jeff2

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Get yearly rustproofing. Flush all your fluids. Convert to synthetic if possible. Avoid short drives. Some highway driving with the accesories off will keep battery charged up. A weak battery will strain your alternator. Check your belts and hoses once a while. Read your manual and use the severe schedule due to our climate. You can do other things once in a while, like lubricate your weather stripping. Come to full stops before moving to reverse or vice versa(easier on the transmission). Once your car gets older, take off all extra insurance(you keep mandated liability of course, consider doubling to 2 million). When you need expensive service, try to use a specialist. I paid half for shocks and springs at a suspension shop compared to Canadian Tire or the dealer, situation even better for rad flushes and new rads. This can be inconvienent at times, though. Keep your car for decades.
 
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Leimonis

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Personally, living in Canada, everyone who does not live in a downtown core should have a car, for reasons already mentioned. Cars (at least the cheaper ones) should have remained at about $20k. Instead, greedy assholes (and they are always greedy) are now placing the cost of a car (as well as a house) beyond any reasonable price.

Another thread asked the question are Millennials entitled and lazy. Well, they can't be entitled if they can't afford a house or a car, can they????? When the lowest price for a reasonable house is $400,000, WTF is anyone talking about????? Some Millennials can't even afford to have one child. This is fucking insane, isn't it?
Children are indeed expensive in Canada. Cars, however, are not.
 
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