Why cant people get along?
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This is way diff. then a teenager on drugs.
All she wanted to do was to dress like other girls her own age! Thats it, from what I seen about it. She refused to cover her face in public. Now how many teenage girls cover their faces up here in Canada ?
You can not compare this young lady to some punk on dope getting in to 1 jam after another.
All she wanted to do was to dress like other girls her own age! Thats it, from what I seen about it. She refused to cover her face in public. Now how many teenage girls cover their faces up here in Canada ?
You can not compare this young lady to some punk on dope getting in to 1 jam after another.
Are you trying to say that because his child did wrong(in his mind), he had the right to kill her? Just because he brought her into the world doesn't mean he has the right to take her from the world.alex52 said:
She was trying to adjust and fit in with this country, too bad others don't try to do the same.
The saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do", wasn't coined for nothing.
As has already been pointed out, there are fanatics in every faith, and screwballs everywhere.
People do not magically become westernized the moment they land at YYZ, anymore than Canadians or American's become instant Saudies the moment they get off the plane in Riyadh.
It is a tragedy that so many lives will be wasted because of this act of intolerance.
People do not magically become westernized the moment they land at YYZ, anymore than Canadians or American's become instant Saudies the moment they get off the plane in Riyadh.
It is a tragedy that so many lives will be wasted because of this act of intolerance.
The responsibility of parents is to love and and cherish their children.The Bandit said:Are you trying to say that because his child did wrong(in his mind), he had the right to kill her? Just because he brought her into the world doesn't mean he has the right to take her from the world.
She was trying to adjust and fit in with this country, too bad others don't try to do the same.
The saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do", wasn't coined for nothing.
I find it fascinating that this has happened right after the media has been covering the release of the new census statistics about our multicultural nation. And right during the Quebec hearings on what "reasonable accommodation" might mean.
Yesterday AM on Andy Barrie's CBC radio show "Metro Morning," he interviewed the female publisher of "Muslim Girl" magazine about this murder. What an idiot she sounded like: she said this incident is unusual, and that she herself always liked wearing hijabs when she grew up on the Prairies. She did not seem to grasp the enormity of the clash of cultures represented by this crime.
In some ways it's a Muslim, father-rules story. In other ways it's just a father-rules story. It's once more about male power, female powerlessness, and our cultural fear of sex.
This poor girl who is now dead was a typical, fun-loving Toronto teen, probably trying out her sexual attractiveness by day at her high school. And ruled at home by a tyrannical father we would call medieval. No wonder she ran away and was living with friends for the past month.
It's a terrible tragedy, this strangulation, and I hope it spawns many serious discussions and maybe a public inquiry. I hope we hear from more Muslim Toronto men, too, about their conflicts of culture.
Yesterday AM on Andy Barrie's CBC radio show "Metro Morning," he interviewed the female publisher of "Muslim Girl" magazine about this murder. What an idiot she sounded like: she said this incident is unusual, and that she herself always liked wearing hijabs when she grew up on the Prairies. She did not seem to grasp the enormity of the clash of cultures represented by this crime.
In some ways it's a Muslim, father-rules story. In other ways it's just a father-rules story. It's once more about male power, female powerlessness, and our cultural fear of sex.
This poor girl who is now dead was a typical, fun-loving Toronto teen, probably trying out her sexual attractiveness by day at her high school. And ruled at home by a tyrannical father we would call medieval. No wonder she ran away and was living with friends for the past month.
It's a terrible tragedy, this strangulation, and I hope it spawns many serious discussions and maybe a public inquiry. I hope we hear from more Muslim Toronto men, too, about their conflicts of culture.
In the name of religious tolerance, lets do things like they would in his homeland..... and save some taxpayer dollars by letting a few of the girls closest friends throw stones at the fucker til he's dead. But be canadian about it too.. say "sorry" every time a rock connects with the pricks head.
Agreed, but I'm waiting till I hear what details the police release. Right now we're hearing about the troubles that this girl had at home and thats all. The father turned himself in I believe, and the brother was arrested for conspiracy. Maybe it was really the brother and the father is trying to take the fall?themexi said:
Who knows.... At either rate its a tragedy and should never ever happen.
While I certainly respect your view I don't think we should label all Muslims like this.....Meister said:
I think that with everyone, not only Muslims, you should tell your kids to find out what a person's beliefs are and what their character is and then make a decision that will reflect what is best for you.
Bee eh, give us an example of another culture in the modern age besides Islam where it’s socially acceptable to murder one’s daughter.bee eh said:
In an Islamic country a woman is expected to cover herself and dress modestly. To do otherwise would bring shame to herself and her family. For a woman in an Islamic country to go out in public without a hijab would be like a woman going naked in public here. It simply wouldn’t be done unless she was a total slut or nuts.
In an Islamic country, if such a case were to happen, it would be expected that the father or husband do away with the woman to redeem the family honour. That is the motivation behind honour killing.
This father wasn’t a nut case. He simply was doing what would otherwise be the right thing in an Islamic country. Fortunately, we have laws against that in Canada. When you come to Canada, you’re expected to live by our laws. I’m glad that he will be held accountable.
It’s another case of a family coming to Canada for a chance at a better life and when they come here, they want things the same as the old country. Just what was he thinking anyway? Most women here don’t wear a hijab. Chances are his daughter won’t want to wear hers either when she realizes that she doesn’t have to here.
The brother was charged with obstruction of justice -- maybe he said he didn't know where his dad was, or was slow to open the front door -- while pop was charged with second-degree murder.
Your assuming that this guy is from an Islamic country. We don't know that yet...Cinema Face said:
Also, I don't necessarily believe that is it is acceptable in the Muslim world for a father to kill his daughter. If a woman goes out in public without a hijab in a Muslim country, the state will punish her not the father. Although, I'm not sure what would happened if this happened in a Muslim country.
Yes the state does enforce strict adherence to Islamic laws regarding appearance and conduct. However, there are many cases of honour killings. I’ve never heard of the killer being punished in an Islamic country. It seems to be a way of life and certainly acceptable. They only get punished when the try to do that in a non-Islamic country.
Here’s an article about honour killings in Jordan. No mention of punishment for the killers.
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_71298.shtml
Honour killings in Pakistan. Doesn’t say what happened to the killers.
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14568914
here’s a story about a family beheading a man and woman in front of their children because the wore western pants. Seems like an acceptable thing over there.
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/11/muslim-nieces-b.html
Here’s a story in Norway. The lawyer argues that honour killers should get a reduced sentence out of religious tolerance.
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/11/norway-honor-murderers-should-get.html
here’s a somewhat related article where in Saudi Arabia where they believe, “A good wife should live in fear.”
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9182&size
Here’s an article about honour killings in Jordan. No mention of punishment for the killers.
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_71298.shtml
Honour killings in Pakistan. Doesn’t say what happened to the killers.
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14568914
here’s a story about a family beheading a man and woman in front of their children because the wore western pants. Seems like an acceptable thing over there.
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/11/muslim-nieces-b.html
Here’s a story in Norway. The lawyer argues that honour killers should get a reduced sentence out of religious tolerance.
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/11/norway-honor-murderers-should-get.html
here’s a somewhat related article where in Saudi Arabia where they believe, “A good wife should live in fear.”
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9182&size
Brownie69 said:
I agree. While it’s no secret that I condemn Islam, I think all people should be judged on an individual basis. Most Muslims that I’ve met are fine people.
I’ll tell you a story. I met a Muslim guy and he told a story about how he met this Hindu girl and fell in love. He wanted to marry this girl but his family forbid it. He really had a hard decision to make. It was like tearing his heart out. He had to choose between his girl and his family. After much thought, he decided to end it with the lady. In the meantime, his family saw the anguish he was going through, decided to approve the marriage.
They married and honestly, I have to tell you, I’ve never met two people more in love. I think that's because of the hardship they had to go through to be together. They both practice their own beliefs. I got an email recently with pics of their first baby. Wonderful story.
However, it’s not always a fairytale romance with a Muslim. Under Islamic law, when a Muslim man marries a kafur woman, she is required to convert to Islam and live under his rules. A kafur man is forbidden to marry a Muslim woman.
