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Why are teachers not allowed to be at a school event on a Saturday?

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It's not about teachers being picked on. It's just general practice that if an employee is not expected or asked to be in a particular area he shouldn't be there.... and especially in this example as he was randomly driving by the school on a weekend and decided to impose his assistance.
Especially during the summer when teachers are off. Weekend? It's the summer friggen break! During the school year it's a little different as teachers put in many, and often odd, hours so they can have many perfectly valid reasons to be there, but in the summer?

Like baby sitting children in a public school.
If you think teaching is babysitting I invite you to school you children with babysitters...
 

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I agree, it's probably a union thing. If it's non-sensical, you can basically guarantee it's a union thing.
 

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Especially during the summer when teachers are off. Weekend? It's the summer friggen break! During the school year it's a little different as teachers put in many, and often odd, hours so they can have many perfectly valid reasons to be there, but in the summer?



If you think teaching is babysitting I invite you to school you children with babysitters...
NOT what the Libs had proposed, because of the proposed age group, it was simply a baby sitting service.

But the union said it MUST be staffed with ONLY teachers, end result, gone, never allowed to happen.

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Here we have a teacher who felt like he should be allowed in to work a private event.

And as has been posted, ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING to do with unions.
Exactly.

It seems like the teacher is good natured and feels like he wants to help. Nothing wrong with that. But it has nothing to do with him or else someone would have called him or asked if any teachers were around on that weekend to help. Looks like no teachers were allowed. So see ya later. Something is going on which has nothing to do with the faculty.

Who knows. Maybe the event was one of those intramural floor hockey leagues where people pay money. Sometimes it's at a real indoor arena... (with those concrete floors where if you wipe out.... ouch!), but sometimes it's held in a gym. These things have nothing to do with teachers, as the people in charge of running it are refs and timekeepers paid by the league to track the game.

I've rented gyms for sports before an would look unkindly if some random adult (teacher or not) tried to worm their way in to the event we paid for.
Oh shit. Just saw this post of yours now after I posted above. lol
 

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It seems your average terbite is able to provide a logical rationale for why it wouldn't be prudent for this teacher to enter the school during his vacation time. The fact that the teacher in question seemingly isn't capable of reasoning this out for himself is a reflection of how poorly he is able to exercise good judgement, sensitivity to and privacy of others, and dare I say, much like other teachers I've met, he's a total doofus.

Further, it's actually excessively kind of some here to suggest he was simply well intended and good natured. We have zero evidence upon which to speculate that this dudes motives were above board. No one really knows what on earth he was thinking

Additionally he doesn't own nor have special rights to enter a public building of which he is merely an employee under certain times and conditions. He can't just come and go as he pleases I hope he is reported to his superiors and that they Slap some common sense and reasoning into him
 

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It seems your average terbite is able to provide a logical rationale for why it wouldn't be prudent for this teacher to enter the school during his vacation time. The fact that the teacher in question seemingly isn't capable of reasoning this out for himself is a reflection of how poorly he is able to exercise good judgement, sensitivity to and privacy of others, and dare I say, much like other teachers I've met, he's a total doofus.

Further, it's actually excessively kind of some here to suggest he was simply well intended and good natured. We have zero evidence upon which to speculate that this dudes motives were above board. No one really knows what on earth he was thinking

Additionally he doesn't own nor have special rights to enter a public building of which he is merely an employee under certain times and conditions. He can't just come and go as he pleases I hope he is reported to his superiors and that they Slap some common sense and reasoning into him
Yep, pretty much covers it.

Also, does he think he is the only adult who volunteers his time, there are lots of people who have full time jobs who also volunteer, but don't go about making a big fuss about it.

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Also, does he think he is the only adult who volunteers his time, there are lots of people who have full time jobs who also volunteer, but don't go about making a big fuss about it.
Some teachers can have a problem with that because unlike other jobs they are basically expected to be volunteering large swaths of their time, and like I said, during the school year they frequently have long and odd hours at a school. It can make their relationship with a school a little 'weird'. Teaching is often somewhere between a 'job' and a 'calling' (which is a big part of the reason why I decided early on that it wasn't for me). This isn't really helped by teachers needing to maintain good standing in their communities, and because of teaching being perceived as a 'good job' despite having a glut of teachers there's a pretty strong selection bias over who get through teachers college and gets hired full time. It can sometimes cause identity, relatability, and work life balance issues.
 

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And just what would you be doing in a school on week ends,...???
Common for science teachers to go in on weekends. Running small greenhouses or similar plantings, aquariums, etc.

To the OP it may be so simple as the custodians were polishing the floors in the school section by the front door, so kicked him out. Ie they thought they had a clear weekend to get a floor job done where no staff were supposed to be in.
 

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Common for science teachers to go in on weekends. Running small greenhouses or similar plantings, aquariums, etc.

To the OP it may be so simple as the custodians were polishing the floors in the school section by the front door, so kicked him out. Ie they thought they had a clear weekend to get a floor job done where no staff were supposed to be in.
I'm 99% sure the issue here was summer break more than weekend... Especially if you're a custodian trying to get shit done.
 

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Some teachers can have a problem with that because unlike other jobs they are basically expected to be volunteering large swaths of their time, and like I said, during the school year they frequently have long and odd hours at a school. It can make their relationship with a school a little 'weird'. Teaching is often somewhere between a 'job' and a 'calling' (which is a big part of the reason why I decided early on that it wasn't for me). This isn't really helped by teachers needing to maintain good standing in their communities, and because of teaching being perceived as a 'good job' despite having a glut of teachers there's a pretty strong selection bias over who get through teachers college and gets hired full time. It can sometimes cause identity, relatability, and work life balance issues.
The idea of teacher as member in good standing in their community is a notion from another era when teachers actually lived and worked in their communities. principals would guide and support families over two or three generations. Now they are all merely employees. Many on contracts. Many on sick leaves. Tons travelling over 100 km each day from home to school because it's a foot in the door to a full time job. shuffled from school to school each year. There is no bond. Zero opportunity for commitment to community. It's merely another aspect of the rat race , a ticket for a pay check All at the expense of our youth. they see it too,hence their cynicism
 

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My teacher friend drove by his school and noticed a man letting students in through the gymnasium door. It appeared to be some sort of event. Since he is a teacher at the school, he felt that he could be there to give support, watch, help supervise, etc... When he went into the main entrance, the hall monitor there said "No teachers are allowed into the building during this time!", forcing him to leave.

So what's the big deal? It's as if teachers are viewed as teachers during weekdays, but during the weekend they are viewed as criminals. What's going on here?
Shouldn't your teacher friend be able to find that out ?
 

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Try to reverse the roll, and have a none teacher try work a "union event".

Like baby sitting children in a public school.

When the Ont Libs tried to introduce this, shot down by the FUCKING unions.

Because,...that's "union work".

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Pathetic. This has nothing to do with union no matter how much you want to pretend. A guy tried to get into a private event and wasn't allowed. End of story.
 

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The idea of teacher as member in good standing in their community is a notion from another era when teachers actually lived and worked in their communities. ...
Now they are all merely employees.
To a degree yes, and there is a clear rural / urban divide there, but a teacher still has to be far more mindful of their public face than at most jobs. (Even in the city.)
 

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Schools rent out the pace on the weekends and this "teacher" friend of yours has no business there on the weekend and has no authority or right to ask if he/she can lend a a hand or supervise anything. Just because they teach at that school, doesn't mean they have the right to poke their nose into what's going on when some user group rents the space.
 

whitewaterguy

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Schools rent out the pace on the weekends and this "teacher" friend of yours has no business there on the weekend and has no authority or right to ask if he/she can lend a a hand or supervise anything. Just because they teach at that school, doesn't mean they have the right to poke their nose into what's going on when some user group rents the space.
The teachers action border on creepy behaviour. He's a creep
 

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Pathetic. This has nothing to do with union no matter how much you want to pretend. A guy tried to get into a private event and wasn't allowed. End of story.
Was probably checking to see if anybody was doing "union work", you know how unions are, especially civil servant unions.

He has absolutely no right what so ever to even be on school property during teachers summer off, , and has NOTHING to do with whether or not it was a "private" event, but that's the union mind set


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Exactly said guys.

If union guys want to be rigid in their processes, workload and hours, then they have to abide by what is considered work-time (allowed) and off-time (prohibited) where management tells you to beat it.

It is not unusual to prohibit employees from entering businesses during non-work hours anyway. This goes for any job.

If you work at a store, you can't just waltz in anytime the doors are locked. I have a key fob for my office. But it is not 24/7. I've tried going to work at weird hours because I had time, but it doesn't work between the hours of 7 pm and 7 am. So I guess I'm locked out if I want to enter too early, or pop in after dinner.
Because on off work hours, people can steal, wreak havoc when nobody is around, when a person isnt being supervised. just because a person works there, just because its their workplace, just because a person is a teacher, doesnt mean theyre a good person, up to any good, doesnt mean they have good intentions.

if something goes missing that day, the teacher can always deny they took anything and that object went missing on some other day. not all objects can b tracked meticulously
 

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