I was shocked when they told me, and tested them. This is a private company. Not gov't.
Who pays for "Sick Days" at work?
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Sorry I completely forgot that there is a 4% gross pay into the vacation from the employer.
And yes to vacation, some companies make you wait a year to take vacation, after the senior guys pick their dates, this is old school.
Some New School - It seems some companies are pro-rating the vacations days, I wasn't allowed to take mine until 6 months passed, but I can use sick days after 3 months.
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Uh, the reason you can use your sick days after 3 months is simple. You have come through your probationary period and are now eligible for benefits. Sick days are a benefit. Nothing more, nothing less. But keep in mind that if you're working for a private company, and you are a new hire and if you start taking sick days, management will definitely notice. You could find yourself fired real fast, especially if you are borderline at your commitment to work. You might think its "old school", but I can assure you that a company is there to make money and if you are not working to a level that covers 100 percent of your salary plus a reasonable profit return, they will fire your ass every time. It's as simple as that. Start taking sick days because you figure you are entitled to them and you'll see.
As to vacation, sure, after 6 months you can take vacation because after 6 months you will have by the labour laws of Ontario accumulated 1 week's paid vacation. Therefore, you can have a weeks paid vacation.
But try and take 2 weeks off in a row and either you will be told "ok, but you have only accumulated 1 week's vacation so the second week will be unpaid time off" or, they will pay you the second week off, but now you are in the hole for that 40 hours of vacation time they fronted you and you will need to pay it back with the earned vacation time you accumulate in the second 6 months of the year.
And if you quit or are fired during the second 6 months of the year, the week you took off that was paid in advance (so to speak) will be deducted from your last cheque or your payment in lieu of notice.
Either way, you aren't going to get something for nothing. It doesn't work that way.
It has nothing to do with old school or new school and everything to do with the labour laws in Ontario. (Though its kind of cute that you think that that's how it works.)
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Generally speaking sick days are an employer cost. More sophisticated employers know the exact cost of sick days based on history and calculate that as part of their total compensation costs (SAVH). When negotiation of compensation comes into play, that's a factor (e.g., collective bargaining or job offers in the private sector).
There are sometimes situations where employees fund some or possibly even all sick leave. I know some unions have Welfare funds that members pay into to cover them in the event they're sick and miss days that otherwise wouldn't be covered by the employer.
There are sometimes situations where employees fund some or possibly even all sick leave. I know some unions have Welfare funds that members pay into to cover them in the event they're sick and miss days that otherwise wouldn't be covered by the employer.
The company I work for gives 10 paid sick days per year worked (ie after 1 year you get 10 days , after 10 years 100 days , after 20 years 200 days , etc...) to a maximum of 260 days . It's use it or lose it : they don't accrue from year to year and you don't get any money for the ones you don't take.
Any absence of more than 3 days requires a doctor's certificate and you can be sure that HR spends a lot of time analyzing absenteeism reports to look for anomalies and/or patterns (like John is always sick on Friday when our baseball team has a home game for example)
It think it's rather the generous.
I believe that the company pays for that benefit as I don't see any obvious deduction on my pay stub.
Any absence of more than 3 days requires a doctor's certificate and you can be sure that HR spends a lot of time analyzing absenteeism reports to look for anomalies and/or patterns (like John is always sick on Friday when our baseball team has a home game for example)
It think it's rather the generous.
I believe that the company pays for that benefit as I don't see any obvious deduction on my pay stub.
You missed in my post that I didn't take any sick days in my first year because I tested them to see if it's true; although I saw it in black & white ; that I can bank sick days for next year and forever.
I expect to get nothing from the company. Actually I have even been robbed by some employees.
I think I read some where that you are retired.
If you are retired , just for kicks apply for a job and see what they offer you. You don't have to take the job. Go have fun.
Before I got this job the "Job HeadHunter" - although I found the job myself. We had a serious human talk. Also I spoke with a friend who was searching for a job, we were surprised what is going on at interviews.
Are you ready for a list?
- people don't show up or call.
- down dressed - people wear flipper slipper shoes; tank top shirt ( THEY WILL BE WALKING ON SHOP FLOOR )
- people (young) answer cell phone during interview
- a good percent of people don't have vehicles.. so bus is not useful in most areas.
- resumes over kill / dressed up/ over rated ---- you pick for your generation
- Claims to have degree, diploma or what ever. mill bought
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There is more but... you just have to be there or ask the interviewer or "Job HeadHunter"
And also please read the post between me and you what others have posted. New School.
You are correct. As an employee you pay for your sick days as well as your holidays, half of your CPP (employer pays the other half) and if you have a company pension, you're probably paying for most of that too.
No you pay for everything in decreased wages. Simple, but you pay less taxes as benefits are not taxed like wages are so taxpayers foot part of the cost
I thought Canada was more like Oz on holiday (vacation) time but clearly not. One month holiday after 3 months on the job. And sick days, often that need to be used each FY July 1-June 30), so one is tempted to chuck a sickie to insure value. USA seems more restricted, often gotta work a year before eligible for 2 weeks holiday. And employer covers these through the fringe rates paid on the salary.
Germany has a better system from what I have learned. For their citizens only not foreign / temporary / seasonal workers.
They have a Ministry of Vacation (MOV). Where they keep track of all your vacations you accumulate. Basically vacation is categorized in 3 sections.
Section A is for how long have you worked.
Section B level of education.
Section C type of work.
Vacation is not set for how long you been at a company at all.
If you switch companies every three years, say, depending on Section A & B your vacation is not set by the new company but by the M.O.V.
So on your ten work period if you start with a new company, and your vacation is 4 weeks. You get 4 weeks. BUT don't expect to quit and work some where else and get 4 weeks again. The MOV will tell you that cannot happen.
