Who IS my sister's keeper?

[Bear669]

Maddie cares PASSIONATELY about her sisters, and of course she is NOT alone. Posts like this are not for 'fun' they are a public service.

It's not up to her to protect anybody , if her sisters are in the business they better get smart and learn fast how to protect themselves , maddie won't be there always. She over reacted

Of course you are right- it was not 'up to' anyone to protect Kitty Genovese when she screamed for help for half an hour while she was stabbed 57 times (58? 62?, who'se counting?)

Its not 'up to' you to call the fire department if you see flames coming out of your neighbours roof.

Its not 'up to' you to call 911 if you are the first to happen upon a rolled school bus.

Like EVERY job , there are some SPs who will never be smart (geez, some of the lawyers I've met!). By the "Law of Booboo", they deserve to be robbed, beaten, slashed?

BTW, Maddie isnt the first or only one to care, there will always be others. However, if she sticks to her goals, she may be a firebrand protecting sex workers for the next 50 years!

BOOBOO GIVES BEARS A BAD NAME.

 

[booboobear]

Like EVERY job , there are some SPs who will never be smart (geez, some of the lawyers I've met!). By the "Law of Booboo", they deserve to be robbed, beaten, slashed?

BTW, Maddie isnt the first or only one to care, there will always be others. However, if she sticks to her goals, she may be a firebrand protecting sex workers for the next 50 years!

BOOBOO GIVES BEARS A BAD NAME.

Unlike you I live in the real world and I NEVER SAID any SP DESERVES TO BE ROBBED ETC ETC . Like you said though some SPS will never be smart and that applies to some non sps as well . Even when educated some people will have BBFS MYSELF INCLUDED and bad things might happen I didn't say these speople deserve it SHEESH . yOU CAN'T PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEMSEVES.

 

[bizkit_dip]

She would come to work after school and on weekends. She was saving her money up to buy a car. She said to me in the most serious tone "I get the depo shot....I protects me from everything." I quickly corrected her and explained that it only protects against pregnancy!
She need to have more information. I don't think she was stupid or careless. She just was mislead. So....basically now I never take anything for granted. Some girl might have actually believed that an "Ontario Certificate of Health" exisited. Had she not been told otherwise ...

Hi Madison,

I realize that this must have been a surprising experience, to say the least, and from your anecdote it appears that this event influenced your perception of the business. Certainly, you were not expecting a fellow SP to be so severly misinformed. But let's gets our definitions straight - having bareback sex with her clients IS careless - it's the reasons for the carelessness that are uncertain; was she irretrievably dumb, or just misinformed? If you told her that Depo is for contraception only, and she kept on f**king clients bareback, then she is stupid. If she changed her risky ways, then she was just misinformed.

I don't know what to say about an 18-year-old high school student taking an SP job (and a risky one, at that) just in order to buy a car. I don't think there is any comment I can make that would not come across as judgemental, sexist, or hypocritical, so I'll just move on from there.

I know your intentions were good and I never criticized them on the other thread, just your judgement. All I was arguing, across all of my posts, is that you could have equally well protected your fellow SPs by posting the e-mail (as well as a warning notice to SPs naive enough to believe a "health certificate" exists) WITHOUT the personal address. I am perfectly willing to listen to somebody who will expose the the flaw in that argument.

Cheers,

Bizkit

 

[booboobear]

I have posted this once before but feel as though I should post it again:

When I first started working I was renting a room from a guy that ran an agency. I worked during the day and the agency girls came in late afternoon and evening.

She said to me in the most serious tone "I get the depo shot....I protects me from everything." I quickly corrected her and explained that it only protects against pregnancy!

Needless to say, she changed my outlook on these things. She was miss-informed. She need to have more information. I don't think she was stupid or careless. She just was mislead. So....basically now I never take anything for granted. Some girl might have actually believed that an "Ontario Certificate of Health" exisited. Had she not been told otherwise...

MD

Have you ever considered that perhaps you are a control freak and rather than trying to protect the world you are trying to control anybody you can.

 

[red]

I know your intentions were good and I never criticized them on the other thread, just your judgement. All I was arguing, across all of my posts, is that you could have equally well protected your fellow SPs by posting the e-mail (as well as a warning notice to SPs naive enough to believe a "health certificate" exists) WITHOUT the personal address. I am perfectly willing to listen to somebody who will expose the the flaw in that argument.

Cheers,

Bizkit

I agree with this.

 

[bizkit_dip]

I think we mixing up intelligence with naive.... some ppl are smart but naive (like trusting you know who) and others are a little slow to begin with. Either way, as SP's we should look out for each other and inform each other the best we can. It's a sisterhood in a sense and if we don't watch each other's back, who will?

Paige, I refer you to my post above.

Of course you are right- it was not 'up to' anyone to protect Kitty Genovese when she screamed for help for half an hour while she was stabbed 57 times (58? 62?, who'se counting?) Its not 'up to' you to call the fire department if you see flames coming out of your neighbours roof. Its not 'up to' you to call 911 if you are the first to happen upon a rolled school bus. Like EVERY job , there are some SPs who will never be smart (geez, some of the lawyers I've met!). By the "Law of Booboo", they deserve to be robbed, beaten, slashed?

Bear669, these specious examples are not comparable to the situation we are discussing here regarding Madison:

- Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death in 1964 in full sight and ear-shot of dozens of her neighbours who witnessed the events unfold and took no action. (i) She was completely unable to defend herself in the slightest, (ii) there was no doubt as to what was happening, (iii) the situation was extremelty dire, urgent to the utmost, and absolutely certain to end in murder, (iv) the necessary action to stop this horror (call the police if you don't want to intervene yourself for reasonable fear of bodily harm) would have been simple, rapid, risk-free to the initiator, and effective. I don't see how this is in any way a reasonable comparison to Madison.

- As with the Genovese case, calling 911 if your neighbour's house is ablaze, or if you see an overturned school-bus (or any serious accident where the passengers are in danger) is an example of an URGENT situation with an IMMEDIATE and UNDENIABLE risk to life, and where your action (calling 9-1-1) is blatantly indicated and easy to perform.

- Come on, man! Of course stupid SPs (or anyone) don't deserve to be robbed or beaten. I, and the other posters, never said that. But it is an imperfect world and you can never fully protect people from themselves, their intrinsic nature, their personalities, their bad habits, and their bad choices. I'm a physician - I see this every day. All that good people can try to do mitigate these effects. So if Madison wants to warn other SPs about something she feels is a threat, then fine. As I wrote above, she could have done this equally well with JUST the text of the e-mail and a written warning about the authenticity of this so-called health certificate. The guy's e-mail address was superfluous.

Cheers,

Bizkit