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Let's hope OBL and Mullah Omar are listening.
You can't hope that.

Those terrorists are being taken care of, if they're not dead already.

Anyway, I agree that Mr. Harvy shouldn't lay a wreath made of white poppies at the National War Memorial in Ottawa on Remembrance Day, even if peacefully.

That is asking for confrontation unnecessarily.
 

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The Red Poppy already is a symbol of peace

Am I the only one that recalls that in Canada we celebrate Remembrance Day, specifically not Veterans Day? In Canada we remember the dead whereas in the US they celebrate the survivors. It's quite different. Here it's a day on which soldiers recall their fallen friends and remember them, there it's a day on which people cheer for the army.

I know the militaristic US concept of "Veterans Day" is gradually leaking into and corrupting the peaceful Canadian concept of Remembrance, but the day here is meant to celebrate the end of war and also to recall all the horrible suffering and destruction that went with the war, to remember those who died in the war, and who suffered the terrible burden of having to fight it. It's a day on which we recall our losses, not our victories, on which we reflect on the tragedy of war, not its glory.

In that respect I thought the Red Poppy already was a symbol peace, as it stands as a reminder of how horrible war is. It does not recall glorious fighting on the battle front, as a symbol taken from the graveyards of a war it recalls the cost of fighting one.

In short I don't see the point of a white poppy. I already see the red one as a symbol of peace and a message that war is a horrible thing, to be undertaken only with a heavy heart in the most dire circumstances. Anyone who wonders why should go walk through Flanders field and see just how incredibly many men lie there among the poppies.
 

danmand

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I suppose peace is not the goal of our troops in Afghanistan.
You are darn right on this one. They could have peace at home instead of killing people on the other side of the globe.
 

Sexy_Dave

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Re: Fuji's post #67
Very well said.
Perhaps you should both go back and read my post #39. Although Fuji expressed some very nice sentiments, the Poppy is not and is not meant to be a symbol of Peace.
You may want 5 to symbolize 7 but you are mistaken and only add to the confusion and misrepresentation of the facts. And in the case of the poppy, do a disservice to those for whom it is meant to represent.
 

blackrock13

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You are darn right on this one. They could have peace at home instead of killing people on the other side of the globe.

As usual your commment needs some expansion. I realize this means that you'll have to so something other than cut & pates, just try it.
 

RandyAndy2

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Perhaps you should both go back and read my post #39. Although Fuji expressed some very nice sentiments, the Poppy is not and is not meant to be a symbol of Peace.
You may want 5 to symbolize 7 but you are mistaken and only add to the confusion and misrepresentation of the facts. And in the case of the poppy, do a disservice to those for whom it is meant to represent.

Sexy_Dave, I don't see a contradiction between remembering the sacrifices of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and merchant marine, and the concept of peace. Certainly that is a major part of what they were fighting for. They battled tyranny so that coming generations wouldn't have to. I remember and respect their sacrifice. I also note that Remembrance Day is held on November 11th, the date when the First World War ("The war to end all wars") came to an end, when peace was established. There is no confusion or misrepresentation here, and I'm a little offended that you say I do a disservice to our brave veterans.
 

Aardvark154

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Am I the only one that recalls that in Canada we celebrate Remembrance Day, specifically not Veterans Day? In Canada we remember the dead whereas in the US they celebrate the survivors. It's quite different. Here it's a day on which soldiers recall their fallen friends and remember them, there it's a day on which people cheer for the army.

I know the militaristic US concept of "Veterans Day" is gradually leaking into and corrupting the peaceful Canadian concept of Remembrance, but the day here is meant to celebrate the end of war and also to recall all the horrible suffering and destruction that went with the war, to remember those who died in the war, and who suffered the terrible burden of having to fight it. It's a day on which we recall our losses, not our victories, on which we reflect on the tragedy of war, not its glory.
Why did Armistice Day gradually morph into Veteran's Day in the U.S. while Remembrance Day has remained the same in Canada.

Might it just be Fuji, that the U.S. already had Memorial Day which fulfills the same functions that you write about above. So rather than either eliminating Armistice Day or creating three, four, five, six - pick your number different commemoration days Armistice Day morphed into and was officially renamed Veterans Day. It has precious little to do with “the militaristic US” or 'peaceful Canada'.
 
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Aardvark154

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Simply put, an organization that allows a pair of yahoos dressed in black-face and a KKK gown to win a costume contest in their premises has forfeited the right to lecture others on the misuse of symbols.
So if you rent a Masonic Hall for a dance the Lodge is responsible for the fact that someone is inappropriately dressed?!
 

Sexy_Dave

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Sexy_Dave, I don't see a contradiction between remembering the sacrifices of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and merchant marine, and the concept of peace. Certainly that is a major part of what they were fighting for. They battled tyranny so that coming generations wouldn't have to. I remember and respect their sacrifice. I also note that Remembrance Day is held on November 11th, the date when the First World War ("The war to end all wars") came to an end, when peace was established. There is no confusion or misrepresentation here, and I'm a little offended that you say I do a disservice to our brave veterans.
http://www.peaceoneday.org/en/welcome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Peace

http://www.google.ca/images?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=845&q=symbols+for+peace&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

I am sorry you are offended. I am sure not nearly as much as I am by those unable or unwilling to accept that the wearing of the Poppy is to Remember those who have fallen in service and sacrifice to their nation.

Perhaps if you went here,

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm? source=collections/books/listing

and here,

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

to locate any of your relatives who may have died, and then sent away for the page from the Book of Remembrance in which they can be found (it's free) and their record of service it may bring it a little closer to home as you ponder the circumstances that brought them to where they were.
November 11th is a day set aside to commemorate all those who gave their lives in service. It is a Memorial Service. The wearing of the poppy signifies your remembrance of them and your respect for their sacrifice.
Do not co-opt that or piggyback other agendas.

Peace has its day and symbols.
 

blackrock13

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http://www.peaceoneday.org/en/welcome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Peace

http://www.google.ca/images?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=845&q=symbols+for+peace&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

I am sorry you are offended. I am sure not nearly as much as I am by those unable or unwilling to accept that the wearing of the Poppy is to Remember those who have fallen in service and sacrifice to their nation.

Perhaps if you went here,

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm? source=collections/books/listing

and here,

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

to locate any of your relatives who may have died, and then sent away for the page from the Book of Remembrance in which they can be found (it's free) and their record of service it may bring it a little closer to home as you ponder the circumstances that brought them to where they were.
November 11th is a day set aside to commemorate all those who gave their lives in service. It is a Memorial Service. The wearing of the poppy signifies your remembrance of them and your respect for their sacrifice.
Do not co-opt that or piggyback other agendas.

Peace has its day and symbols.
September 21 is International Peace Day and the Cattail is the Flower of Peace.

September 26 is the Remembrance Day for fallen police officers. The day to remember fallen firefighters varies with different jurisdictions.

We also remember others days in our history; Vimy Ridge, Beaumont Hamel, Singapore, Hong Kong on their respective days. Some participants choosing to wear the poppy and who's going to tell them not to. Where are these white poppy peaceniks on these day. no where to be seen.

Yet this group wants to be connected to the Veterans and Remembrance Day because it has a bigger profile. If they turned out on the specific day, September 21, they wouldn't grab the headlines they do with this move.
 

RandyAndy2

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I am sorry you are offended. I am sure not nearly as much as I am by those unable or unwilling to accept that the wearing of the Poppy is to Remember those who have fallen in service and sacrifice to their nation.

Perhaps if you went here,

to locate any of your relatives who may have died, and then sent away for the page from the Book of Remembrance in which they can be found (it's free) and their record of service it may bring it a little closer to home as you ponder the circumstances that brought them to where they were.
November 11th is a day set aside to commemorate all those who gave their lives in service. It is a Memorial Service. The wearing of the poppy signifies your remembrance of them and your respect for their sacrifice.
Do not co-opt that or piggyback other agendas.

Peace has its day and symbols.
First, thank you for the link to the Book of Remembrance. I found the name of my father's first cousin, who died while serving with the RCAF in 1942. I'll provide a copy to my father, and I know it will have a special significance to him.

Second, I hope that you are not referring to me as one who is, "unable or unwilling to accept that the wearing of the Poppy is to Remember those who have fallen in service and sacrifice to their nation". If you are referring to me then obviously you didn't read my post.

Third, I don't know where you are coming from with respect to your statement, "Do not co-opt that or piggyback other agendas." We are not in disagreement about November 11th or the wearing of the red poppy. If I haven't been clear enough for you, I remember and respect the sacrifices of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and merchant marine. That I remember the freedom, liberty and relative peace that we enjoy as a result of their sacrifice doesn't minimize that. If anything, remembering that context allows me to value their sacrifice that much more.

I'd appreciate it if you'd drop your implicit suggestion that there is something wrong about my observance of Remembrance Day.
 

Rockslinger

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You are darn right on this one. They could have peace at home instead of killing people on the other side of the globe.
Hopefully, they are killing EVIL people as well as building bridges, roads, schools and defending women's rights in Afghanistan. As much as I support our brave men and women in uniform, I want them safe and sound back home and not in harm's way in some shitty country stuck in the 12th century.
 

danmand

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Hopefully, they are killing EVIL people as well as building bridges, roads, schools and defending women's rights in Afghanistan. As much as I support our brave men and women in uniform, I want them safe and sound back home and not in harm's way in some shitty country stuck in the 12th century.
We agree on the last sentence. I am sure the OBJECTIVE is to kill only evil people, but unfortunately also good and innocent children are killed, and beside defending womens right, theya re also in fact defending warlords that are keeping young boys as play things.

Bring them back.
 
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