Which electric guitar?

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To all the guitarists and gurus out there. I'm looking for advice on which electric guitar to buy for a teenager who's been playing an acoustic guitar for about 2-years. He's by no means Eddie VH, but a solid guitarist and still learning. This would be his first electric. So the question is, which electric guitar and amplifier to get? Brand? Model? Standard or bass? Where is the best price to buy in the GTA? The price range that I'm looking at is $300-500 for both guitar and amp.

I saw an Ibanez GAX30 at the local Costco for $229 w/o amp. Is this a good Ibanez model? Gibsons are way too expensive, but I've seen some lower end Ibanez and Fenders at my price range. Any particular model that is recommended?

Thanks in advance.
 
The brand is not so much important as the playability and the tone of the guitar. Choose a guitar with a straight neck and a low action (strings close to the neck). Personally, I think you should go to Steve's Music, or Long and McQuade and seek the help of a professional. I own an Ibanez and am really happy with it, but it is significantly mor expensive that the one you are looking at. Fender has Mexican made Stratocasters which are good quality for the price.

Other questions to ask are:
Does he want a whammy bar?
Single coil or humbucker?
What type of music is he learning? (that whole tone thing).

A guitar is a very personal choice, a guitar that he likes will be played more often. Just my opinion. Good luck.
 
I'd also go halfway, I know Ibanez makes some really nice sounding semi-accoustic guitars. I can't play myself but an old friend of mine was awesome and he could makes his purr.....

If he's just strumming along at home and he has a reasonably good home theatre system all he needs to do is plug his guitar into an aux in jack in the back and he's good to go. He may need a phone to stereo RCA adapter tho but that's like 5 bucks at radio shack.

I also agree, go to Long and McQuade, they will steer you in the right direction. I remember I was down there buying a PA system and they had (think it was hiwatt? Marshall?) little amps/speaker units in funky colours. Optic blue, red, yellow etc. I kind of laughed at them until the rep said watch this and plugged in a guitar and wailed away. Little bastards sounded pretty fucking good for something the size of a lunchbox...
 
Yamaha make a nice sort of Fender telecaster version - really a very nice not too expensive axe - combine that with a small Peavey amp - good brand again - and they have a couple that are reasonably priced and will make the kid feel proud of what he's got. trying to get them to play something that doesnt "cut" the image is a bit counter productive . Try Steves or Long and Mc Quade for the guitar and consider checking out some of the pawn shops on Church for the amp
sometimes there are lovely little deals there - but DO NOT buy a guitar there -steves and L&M will ensure the guitar is properly set up and used to offer a further set up after a year
 
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Tech72 said:
Where is the best price to buy in the GTA? The price range that I'm looking at is $300-500 for both guitar and amp.

Go to Long and Mcquade, there should be one near your neighbourhood

http://www.longandmcquademusic.com/

L&M will price match, so check out the prices at Steve's if you want firstly. IMO the product knowledge and services at L&M are generally better than Steve's. All my brand new hardware , guitar and most software were bought from L&M.

If you know exactly what you need to pick up ( new ) , Steve's is fine.

Song Bird is great for hard to find second hand axes, but you gotta know your shit.
 
Tech72 said:
I saw an Ibanez GAX30 at the local Costco for $229 w/o amp. Is this a good Ibanez model? Gibsons are way too expensive, but I've seen some lower end Ibanez and Fenders at my price range. Any particular model that is recommended?

You are on a tight budget for something *nice* but you can get something he will be very happy with. Gibson has a lower end Epiphone line with SG and Les Paul models that are nice. For example, they have a Les Paul knockoff in a sunburst cherry finish for I believe $290 at L&M. Even though it has a bolt on neck and low end pickups, you need to remember it is frickin $290 and looks beautiful. You can get a low end amp with digital effects for around 200 (Fender has a cute one, I forget the model number, but it will let you do samples and drum sequencing).
 
Much thanks!

Thanks all for the great advices. I'm not a guitar player myself so was definitely not in the know about this stuff. It'll be the kid's first electric guitar so I wanted a half-decent starter guitar, hence the $500 budget. He can go big budget later on. I'll take the kid to Steve's and L&M to check things out. Much thanks.

Btw, the kid listens to and (as best he can) plays - Zepplin, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, KISS, Hendrix, Johnny Cash, Neil Young, Metallica, etc. - he's into the old school stuff.
 
a 1 player said:
Choose a guitar with a straight neck and a low action (strings close to the neck).

is low action really important for a player who learned on acoustic?

I learned at a very young age studying classical since age 5... when i made the step to electric at age 8, I found that I prefered a higher action guitar- not overly high, but definitely NOT a low action guitar.

As I progressed, perfection led me to the low action, but only on high end models. You buy a cheap guitar with low action and your notes will buzz.

Personally, I'd go with a good used guitar... but, from a music store- get the clerks honest opinion with regard to it's quality. make sure you ask and learn how to judge a guitar's quality.

personally, I like the Ibanez GRG170DX. It has a Basswood body. Maple neck. Two humbuckers and one single-coil. That means you can get quite a variety of expensive, unique sounds from it. The humbucker closest to the neck can give you a rich GNR's Slash solo sound.. ie, 'sweet child o' mine'. It's definitely not Les Paul rich, but it's the same concept. The other pickups can give a variety of sounds from Paul Gilbert, a Strat sound or a variety of Joe Satriani, EVH, Kirk Hammet type tones.

It's a good quality guitar for the price and offers a strong, bright sound and an attractive appearance. He'll still appreciate it in his 20's!

The neck on this guitar is by far the easiest to play on out of all my guitars, including my American Stratocaster. Also, many like myself who either own expensive guitars or can afford a much higher end Ibanez still prefer this one... It is really good value!

a few reviews:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAGRG170DX
 
Since I’ve been around the block a few times on this, I’m going to be direct on my opinions, and I'm not going to mince words. My apologies in advance to those offended.


Stay away from knock-offs, starter packs, and POS like Cort, Samick, etc..

The major problems with entry-level guitars are their tremolo systems, pickups, and necks/fretboards.

a). Tremolo systems; I have been playing for two years as well and have been exposed to a wide variety of systems (including floating and non floating). The biggest issue with the tremolo systems is the lack of tuning stability (especially if it is not a double-locking system). To get a profressional level quality tremolo, you may have to buy a guitar worth over $1,000. The other issue with all tremolo systems is changing the strings; it is an ardous and lengthy multiple-step task (e.g. 1 to 2 hours to change the strings, letting the strings stretch out for a day, retune, restretch, etc..) Unless he is hell bent on a tremolo system, buy a guitar with a fixed bridge. Out of the 5 guitars I have, only 2 have trems and I barely use them. Judging by the musical influences you listed, he would have little use for a trem system.

b) Pickups: for the price range you are looking at, the pickups would not even be passable (too low-output, too-muddy, feedback, etc). And there is no point in getting a low-end guitar, and throwing in aftermarket pickups (like Dimarzio), and having no resale value.

c) Neck: On the cheapie models, the necks are usually chunky, have awkward string-spacing, finished necks which increase friction while he plays.You want him to be as happy as possible with his instrument, which will encourage to play more, which will make him better faster (you know, create an "upward spiral").


My recommendations:

If he wants something of the superstrat-type go with Ibanez RG series. I own 2 myself, and I am thinking about a third one. The Ibanez RG321MH is a non-trem guitar that costs below $400. Even though it is built in Innonesia (3rd-rate build quality in comparison to Korea which is 2nd, and Japan which is 1st…at least with the Ibanez construction hierarchy), it is an excellent guitar for a beginner. The neck/fretboard is an 8 out of 10 in terms of quickness/playablity, and there are guitars I’ve played costing 3 or 4 times as much (e.g. Gibson Les Paul) whose necks don’t even come close to this Ibanez neck (called a Wizard II). The only necks that I’ve played that are better are on the Ibanez RG Prestige Series (I also have an RGA 121H, $1,200), which are made in Japan and cost $1,000 and $3,000 (the neck are called Wizard Prestige). No other is better, not even the neck on my $3,500 Lado Earth (like Iron Maiden’s Adrian Smith had back in 1984). The standard pickups on the RG321MH (called Infinity 3 and 4) are passable, have a half-decent output, and a good tone for a beginner guitar. The pickups on other entry level superstrats made by Jackson, ESP, Yamaha etc, are poor in comparison. If he insists on getting a guitar with a tremolo, the Ibanez RG 320/350/370 series is the same as the RG321MH, but with the tremolo of course. My first guitar was an RG 320 (I still have it), and I upgraded the pickups to Dimarzio’s, and it beats the pants out of guitars cost twice as much. The tremolo system on this guitar is called an Edge III, and the tuning stability is excellent most of the time; dive bombs are of little consequence to it, but pull-ups sometimes knocks the top 2 strings out of wack if pulled hard enough. However, if he doesn’t plan to wank-off on the tremolo like Van Halen or Steve Vai, this system should suit him well.

If he wants a more ‘traditional style’ of guitar (e.g. Les Paul, Explorer, etc.), which obviously means a fixed-bridge (non-trem) guitar, I would recommend the Dean X-Series line. They cost around $450, and come in a variety of models: VX (flying-vee), Z (explorer), Cadillac (a bastardized Les Paul), and ML (half-explorer, half flying-vee). In keeping with their more traditional focus, the necks are a bit chunkier and are a bit more difficult to play. The stock pickups are decent and would be pretty happy with them for quite a while. I also have a Dean Z, but even though it is a 79-reissue series (a few notches up the ladder at $650), the entry-level X-series is excellent for the price and it has tone for days (I’ve done a back-to-back comparison on both series). I play Sabbath, Zepplin, and early Leppard (1980-1983) on my Dean and it sounds great. If he insists on a Gibson Les Paul or a Gibson SG knock-off, I would look at Epiphone guitars. I’ve never played one personally, and I can’t really comment on that make, but the guitarist in my brother in-laws band swears by it.

In terms of amps, I would go to a Line 6 Spider III 15watt Modeling Combo amp ($175). My first amp was a small Peavey, and after I decided that I was going to continue playing guitar, I got rid of that and started shopping around for something better. I tried tons of the small solid-state amps (in tube amps, you have to crank them at top volume to get a good level of distortion, and they are $$$$), like Marshall, Roland, Randall, Ibanez, Fender, etc… but they all sounded like cheap Fisher Price units (like my old Peavey). Then I came across Line 6; they have been around for only a few years, but they are taking the market by storm and are the best non-tube amps (and pedals too) around. I settled for a Line 6 Pod, which is like a computer that you plug your guitar into, just add normal speakers. Many of the tones on my unit come from the Spider series, and anytime I test out a new guitar in a store, I always plug into a Line 6 Spider amp…anything else is a waste of time, and will not flatter any guitar's tone. I would recommend that you go to the Line 6 website and have him listen to the sound samples on there.

In summary, stay away from the low-end garbage (including packages), it will only deter him, and will have NO resale value when it comes time to sell it (e.g. due to quitting or upgrading). The cost of the Ibanez RG and the Line 6 amp will run will about $550 to $600, but it would keep him happy for the next 5 years. Which also means money won’t be wasted due to upgrading in a year or two.

P.S. Steve’s Music has the best prices on Ibanez, Dean, and Line 6 in comparison to many of the other shops I’ve been in. However, I’ve never been in Long and McQuade, so I can’t comment on them.

Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Cheers
 
21pro said:
is low action really important for a player who learned on acoustic?

By a low action I do not mean 1/16th, just something where hammerons and pulloffs will not be uncomfortable. Some of the guitars my students had while I was teaching were unbefuckingbelievablely unplayable.
21pro said:
I learned at a very young age studying classical since age 5... when i made the step to electric at age 8, I found that I prefered a higher action guitar- not overly high, but definitely NOT a low action guitar.
I agree.
21pro said:
As I progressed, perfection led me to the low action, but only on high end models. You buy a cheap guitar with low action and your notes will buzz.
Very true.
21pro said:
Personally, I'd go with a good used guitar... but, from a music store- get the clerks honest opinion with regard to it's quality. make sure you ask and learn how to judge a guitar's quality.
That is a very good idea. Most of my guitars have been purchased used. Again, make sure you know what you are looking for and that the guitar is quality.
21pro said:
personally, I like the Ibanez GRG170DX. It has a Basswood body. Maple neck. Two humbuckers and one single-coil. That means you can get quite a variety of expensive, unique sounds from it. The humbucker closest to the neck can give you a rich GNR's Slash solo sound.. ie, 'sweet child o' mine'. It's definitely not Les Paul rich, but it's the same concept. The other pickups can give a variety of sounds from Paul Gilbert, a Strat sound or a variety of Joe Satriani, EVH, Kirk Hammet type tones.

It's a good quality guitar for the price and offers a strong, bright sound and an attractive appearance. He'll still appreciate it in his 20's!

The neck on this guitar is by far the easiest to play on out of all my guitars, including my American Stratocaster. Also, many like myself who either own expensive guitars or can afford a much higher end Ibanez still prefer this one... It is really good value!
I used to own one that was quite similar. I agree, a solidly built guitar with many tonal variations. Ibanez has never disappointed me.

a few reviews:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAGRG170DX[/QUOTE]
 
If you go to Long and McQuade and look at the Squire guitars (version of Fender) they are pretty cheap and then just pick up a pretty cheap Amp from there as well.

The Squire guitars are usually 150-200 dollars.

Amps you could get a decent one for 100-150 dollars.
 
This is just a question. Would it not be better for this young guy to get a good used guitar?

I have no music ability..I can only play a stereo.

There's some really educated opinions in this post...really interesting reading.

Just wondering what the used market might offer the ability and price point. Or is it even an issue?
 
MarkII said:
This is just a question. Would it not be better for this young guy to get a good used guitar?

I have no music ability..I can only play a stereo.

There's some really educated opinions in this post...really interesting reading.

Just wondering what the used market might offer the ability and price point. Or is it even an issue?

The used-market is very much a buyer-beware situation. Faulty parts, wrong wiring, necks that are a week or two away from warping, no warranties, etc.... You really have to know your shit if you start playing that game.
 
It may be hard to find in your price range but I would try to get one with a double action whammy bar and a locking nut with a as low as possible action .Action is the distance of the string of fret board and make sure the distance from fret board is fairly even along the neck, Amp if you have enough money left try to get an amp with gain and reverb it will sound pretty dry with out.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBANEZ-RG350DX-E...3QQihZ010QQcategoryZ33043QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Fender-Frontman-...3QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38074QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

if you want the amp to keep up with a drumer

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Laney-50-Watt-Gu...3QQihZ018QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


this is not too bad
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Electric-Guitar-...30QQihZ010QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBANEZ-ELECTRIC-...5QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33043QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ask seller if it has a locking neck

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Washburn-WG-208-...9QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33048QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is nice too
http://cgi.ebay.ca/MONKEY-GRIP-CUST...90QQihZ016QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

want somthing small and easy to transport
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SPIRIT-BY-STEINB...64QQihZ002QQcategoryZ2384QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
I buy all my gear at Steve's. Long & McQuade is great if you're into paying top dollar, and like snobby attitutes. At least the sales staff at Steve's know their shit.

Buy used, you'll only save *double* the value buying used. Why not get twice as much for your money? Go to Songbird a few times and get different sales staff to recommend something in your price range that will give you the Gibson sound your son is after.

New I'd go with the $450 Dean that buddy recommended, considering the stuff your kid is into.
 
If you buy used check for:
intonation (harmonics on 12th fret agrees with played note)
cracks
straight neck
loose electrical connections resulting in crackling sounds

the amp can be fairly low wattage. i have a 120W amp and in the house i always have it set to 1 or it blows my ears off.

I think what's more important is to get him some lessons in proper picking with a pick and a bit more in-depth training that goes beyong reading tabs.
 
Good thread,

Something worth thinking about. Is he really into playing? Do you think he will be for a long time? If so, it may be worth bumping up the budget a bit. If you do, you can probably get a guitar that will last him a lifetime. I got a guitar that cost $400 when I was a teenager in the mid 80s, and it is still my favourite instrument, and sounds and plays even better today than when I first got it. Today, given decreased manufacturing costs, you can get a great guitar used for $500 - $600. I wouldn't worry about going cheap on an amp. Get a small, low wattage amp, and when he outgrows it it will be useful for travelling, or just sell it on ebay. I also agree about the benefits of buying used. And buy from a reputable music store. I would never buy a guitar from a store that also sells meat, computers and furniture. Even if it costs you more, the advice you get will be invaluable. If there is one thing musicians love to talk about other than music, its gear.
 
Tech72 said:
Btw, the kid listens to and (as best he can) plays - Zepplin, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, KISS, Hendrix, Johnny Cash, Neil Young, Metallica, etc. - he's into the old school stuff.

Zeppelin - Gibson Les Paul
AC/DC - Gibson SG
Black Sabbath - Gibson SG
Kiss - Gibson Les Paul
Hendrix - modified Fender American Stratocaster
Johnny Cash - played acoustic almost exclusively, wide range of guitars used by backing band
Metallica - EMG Pickups, ESP and Gibson guitars
Neil Young - Gibson Les Paul

Based on this list, you should be choosing something cheap with the Gibson humbucking pickups or something similar to them. I'd recommend an Epiphone (sub line owned by Gibson) in your price range.