Where have all the real Indy gone?

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

With all due respect Sir what do you mean by "someone like yourself" ? I am an indy provider and have never worked for any agency... I provide an intimate and unique encounter to every gentleman I see .... so I wonder what, if anything ... you consider different about yourself? I try to accommodate each and every individual in the way they prefer ... so please help me out and let me know what makes you different

This is why I found it offensive. Not misdirected at all.

You live way too far up north for normal people. {LOL Jokes} so you tour the area and provide incalls in a 4 star or higher hotel. The hotel you were at last week was amazing and any client would feel special to be invited into such a room, yet this guy thinks you are not a "true indy" because you won't bring him home. Maybe you should start offering "meet mom and pop" sessions too.......

Yes, you are still responding out of misdirected anger because you are offended. And there is no need for me to make up my mind on what is my definition of a 'True Indy'. I am not confused, you simply do not like my view or agree with it. By being offended, your responses are losing their objectivity and IMO you are trying to misconstrue my posts. Do not take it personal, keep an open mind. If you are still looking for more insight into my meaning then re-read post #14, #18, #28. As well, as the thread grows did you notice that there are other John's that shared my experience?

I already agreed with you and others that SP(s) that service out of hotels, shared accommodation, etc are also Indy. But what I think you want to hear from me is that all Independents are 'True Indy'. For arguments sake - [sarcasm] Okay fine, any SP that is not affiliated with an Agency is a 'True Indy'. Now that being said, will you get offended if I rate the 'True Indy' experience from a scale of 1 to 10? [/sarcasm]

Buddy, you are simply not following along here. You coined the phase "true indy" not me. You did not explain in detail when repeatedly ask what you meant by true indy so that we can help understand what you are talking about. You said a women who entertains in a hotel or condo and doesn't do all the things on her own is not a true indy. That was all on you. Not me. Just because you then back peddled only slightly just to say it again later means nada.

What "others" have described for you for example Matt, is not a "true indy" that is a "semi pro." There is a difference in the terms and in the services and expectations between the two different types of ladies. When you call a SP a hooker or street walker you insult her. When you call a stripper or a MPA an escort, you insult her. You are not using the right terminology. You are back peddling in your replies and yet still not accepting that if you would just properly explain yourself with either the right terminology or in better/greater detail with what you are looking for then it would have been much easier. But nope. You want to point fingers at me and saying I am talking it personally. Buddy, I am not even an escort. Why would I take it personally?

Howver since you are so hung up on the private location aspect, is she a true indy if she sees you at home but not in her private bed? What if she makes you shower in a "clients only" bathroom? Does you feel the "atmosphere" is right if she has a mattress on the floor?

Either use the right terms, or be specific. I am clearly not the only one who has been confused, or find it a bit offense. Shall I refer you to the follow to make it easier for you:

People not understanding your issue or the term "true indy" - posts 5,6,7,11, 21, 38, 39,40,43

Women who were at least slightly offended by your use of the term "true Indy" - posts 15, 25, 37, 41

'someone like myself' = My Preferences

In the industry we all have our preferences. I am sure you have preferences with respect to client sessions. I don't know your preferences because I have never booked.

But to make my point - Some SP do not: see particular races, do not allow greek, do not allow greek for certain sizes, do not allow certain age groups, no bbbj, no rimming, etc etc. And some John's do not: see SPs that provide bbbj, rimming, daty, kissing, etc, etc....

again that is preference, not whether a SP is a "true indy" or not. That doesn't make your point actually. That actually proves ours that just because an escort does not provide the services you "prefer" doesn't mean she is not an indy.

I tried to politely ask you what you meant because I was confused like others, you don't want to properly explain and you don't want to stop incorrectly using a term/name. There is no point continuing on.

 

[gollumtroll]

It would be nice if the OP would communicate his actual problem. It seems like it simply boils down to being unhappy unless he is entertained in a private residence. What added benefit does that bring to the party over and above a nice hotel room, and how does a nice hotel room vs. a private residence make an escort less of an independant?
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You called me unhappy but it is baseless. Look up my reviews (gollumtroll, mackensonv2, mackenson). My reviews of the past should prove that I am happy going into and leaving my sessions (most of the times). How do I feel now about the industry? Been there done that..... For me it was like a high. You can compare it to when you first started smoking weed. After a while(many years) it grows thin.

And to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Why do I have multiple userid's? It is sort of like a snake shedding his skin. Different persona's as I changed throughout the years. Basically different review styles. When I first started my reviews were crass.

 

[gollumtroll]

What "others" have described for you for example Matt, is not a "true indy" that is a "semi pro."

When I used to frequent SP(s) such as Sexy Chanel, Mya Blu, Ariel Sanchez, Janda - many board members were also seeing them as well. They were advertising in full swing here on Terb and on TRZ. Their status at the time was not semi-pros.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

When I used to frequent SP(s) such as Sexy Chanel, Mya Blu, Ariel Sanchez, Janda - many board members were also seeing them as well. They were advertising in full swing here on Terb and on TRZ. Their status at the time was not semi-pros.

And no all of them worked strictly from their private home, strictly did their own advertising, website design, photography, etc. I seem to recall that Riley who you also mentions worked for Mirage and Cupids {sorry Riley, just using you as an example} Sexy Chanel also had her photos done by Santillo, Maya Blue did not have her own site designed here.

None would be classified as True Indies based on the descriptions you gave early. However that doesn't matter. You true colors have finally shown themselves.

You called me unhappy but it is baseless. Look up my reviews (gollumtroll, mackensonv2, mackenson). My reviews of the past should prove that I am happy going into and leaving my sessions (most of the times). How do I feel now about the industry? Been there done that..... For me it was like a high. You can compare it to when you first started smoking weed. After a while(many years) it grows thin.

And to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Why do I have multiple userid's? It is sort of like a snake shedding his skin. Different persona's as I changed throughout the years. Basically different review styles. When I first started my reviews were crass.

HAHAHAHA, so you have "retired" from the hobby and yet you want to know where the "true indies" are and are coming down on those of us who question your use of the term incorrectly.

Then your bio says this

"I have decided to retire this account and hopefully from the community. After lobbying for over 10yrs, it is boring. The sex has become dull. It doesn't matter how attractive or unattractive she is, the sex is lacking. When you pay for it it loses that raw animal like sensation. There is no passion. Nothing will beat the thrill of the hunt. Nothing beats real attraction. The hobby is like any other drug, once you are hooked, you lose a part of you.

I think this hobby is more suitable for unhappily married couples, and for men where divorce is not an option.

I have deleted my ymail email account. You will no longer be able to send emails to that address. As well I have disabled the private message function."

Well there you have it folks. No escort would be good enough for him. Regardless of what she did. He is paying for it and doesn't like it. It bothers him so instead of dealing with that issue, he will insult the others on here. Good to know who we are dealing with - A jaded John.

 

[gollumtroll]

And no all of them worked strictly from their private home, strictly did their own advertising, website design, photography, etc. I seem to recall that Riley who you also mentions worked for Mirage and Cupids {sorry Riley, just using you as an example} Sexy Chanel also had her photos done by Santillo, Maya Blue did not have her own site designed here.

None would be classified as True Indies based on the descriptions you gave early. However that doesn't matter. You true colors have finally shown themselves.






HAHAHAHA, so you have "retired" from the hobby and yet you want to know where the "true indies" are and are coming down on those of us who question your use of the term incorrectly.

Then your bio says this



Well there you have it folks. No escort would be good enough for him. Regardless of what she did. He is paying for it and doesn't like it. It bothers him so instead of dealing with that issue, he will insult the others on here. Good to know who we are dealing with - A jaded John.

I just removed it from my Bio. It doesn't belong there anymore. But even after I wrote that I still go out and see SP(s) but I am very selective. But it is true, I am not excited with the industry like when I first started. It is like any other drug once you get used too it. Being jaded is different than being selective. And this has nothing to do with Photos or Websites. It has to do with the incall location. I am jaded John? What you are doing is trolling. Go and troll my reviews as well if you want to paint me as jaded. I am jaded because I don't like going to a busy hotel or a busy incall location? Do we go around calling SP(s) jaded because we don't like their particular restrictions? No we don't we respect their restrictions.

 

[LKD]

totally agree with the OP... From my experience, it all went away when craigslist removed their free adult section. I remember just surfing the ads a lot just looking for independents, gems or firsttimers. It wasn't the fact that I was going to fuck a girl, but more the thrill of finding an indy, an innocent chick, still fresh and hasn't been around the block, or that milf who got laid off work and need to make extra cash etc. I remember finding so many next-door chicks who did it out of their basements, chicks willing to bang because then needed extra money for an emergency, pregnant chicks, single moms, college chicks who needed money to pay rent/tution or just money to party and the list goes on. That all changed when craigslist removed the adult section. Eye, Now, backpages, duttslist are all crap because girls have to pay to put up an ad and most ads are screened too.

 

[gollumtroll]

And no all of them worked strictly from their private home, strictly did their own advertising, website design, photography, etc. I seem to recall that Riley who you also mentions worked for Mirage and Cupids {sorry Riley, just using you as an example} Sexy Chanel also had her photos done by Santillo, Maya Blue did not have her own site designed here.

And why do you insist on making a point that they don't do their own advertising and websites, and photography? I see on your signature that you are involved in webdesign/photography/advertising. Are you suggesting that when a SP uses your services that you are now equal partners in her business? Do you see yourself as a contractor or an Agency?

The Independent SP makes all the business decisions. It her decision on what needs to be outsourced. You work for her not the other way around. Ultimately it is her money that controls the entire operation.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I just removed it from my Bio. It doesn't belong there anymore. But even after I wrote that I still go out and see SP(s) but I am very selective. But it is true, I am not excited with the industry like when I first started. It is like any other drug once you get used too it. Being jaded is different than being selective. And this has nothing to do with Photos or Websites. It has to do with the incall location. I am jaded John? What you are doing is trolling. Go and troll my reviews as well if you want to paint me as jaded. I am jaded because I don't like going to a busy hotel or a busy incall location? Do we go around calling SP(s) jaded because we don't like their particular restrictions? No we don't we respect their restrictions.

Sps get called jaded all the time. You are very much jaded. It is quite clear. Not because of what you prefer or not but because of your attitude.

Being selective is fine, be selective. Saying that people are not what they are because they don't cater to YOUR preferences is wrong. Sorry that is just the facts jack.

I tried to ask you politely, to get clarification, to help understand. You did nothing to assist that. I challenged on what you wrote and you come with I am trolling????? Yet you are still here while now trying to retire????? Your back paddling is getting a little heavy now don't you think?

And why do you insist on making a point that they don't do their own advertising and websites, and photography? I see on your signature that you are involved in webdesign/photography/advertising. Are you suggesting that when a SP uses your services that you are now equal partners in her business? Do you see yourself as a contractor or an Agency?

The Independent SP makes all the business decisions. It her decision on what needs to be outsourced. You work for her not the other way around. Ultimately it is her money that controls the entire operation.

Well finally we can agree. That has been my whole point. You say back the in day when ladies did it all on their own. Back paddling again you now say different. I have always said they are independents, you said other wise.

All of the girls mentioned handled the entire show and have their own place.

Your words. Not mine. Those ladies who did this were true indies and the others who don't are not. That was your claim. Aside from conceding a point here or there you have not retracted your statement at all and continue on pushing it for that matter.

totally agree with the OP... From my experience, it all went away when craigslist removed their free adult section. I remember just surfing the ads a lot just looking for independents, gems or firsttimers. It wasn't the fact that I was going to fuck a girl, but more the thrill of finding an indy, an innocent chick, still fresh and hasn't been around the block, or that milf who got laid off work and need to make extra cash etc. I remember finding so many next-door chicks who did it out of their basements, chicks willing to bang because then needed extra money for an emergency, pregnant chicks, single moms, college chicks who needed money to pay rent/tution or just money to party and the list goes on. That all changed when craigslist removed the adult section. Eye, Now, backpages, duttslist are all crap because girls have to pay to put up an ad and most ads are screened too.

So let me ask you, do you think that people like JL, Riley, KK, who have posted in this thread are not true indies like the OP said initially?

BTW, you can still find these girls you know. Just more and more provide incar services. Cheaper and easier that way for them.

 

[gollumtroll]

totally agree with the OP... From my experience, it all went away when craigslist removed their free adult section. I remember just surfing the ads a lot just looking for independents, gems or firsttimers. It wasn't the fact that I was going to fuck a girl, but more the thrill of finding an indy, an innocent chick, still fresh and hasn't been around the block, or that milf who got laid off work and need to make extra cash etc. I remember finding so many next-door chicks who did it out of their basements, chicks willing to bang because then needed extra money for an emergency, pregnant chicks, single moms, college chicks who needed money to pay rent/tution or just money to party and the list goes on. That all changed when craigslist removed the adult section. Eye, Now, backpages, duttslist are all crap because girls have to pay to put up an ad and most ads are screened too.

We are simpatico!

 

[gollumtroll]

So let me ask you, do you think that people like JL, Riley, KK, who have posted in this thread are not true indies like the OP said?

I already posted that I categorize Riley as a 'True Indy'. STOP Trolling!

As for JL and KK. I do not know anything about their business. But from what I gather they are Independent SP(s) that host in a hotel setting or shared condo setting? That is absolutely fine. Will I book with them? Maybe I will maybe I will not. I never said I was against visiting SP(s) in a hotel or a shared condo setting. But my preference is a private incall location. And before you try to put words in my mouth, private incall does not mean the SP's personal residence. I know many SP's that rent out an apartment to setup office. Thereby keeping their private life separate from the business.

 

[LKD]

So let me ask you, do you think that people like JL, Riley, KK, who have posted in this thread are not true indies like the OP said initially?

BTW, you can still find these girls you know. Just more and more provide incar services. Cheaper and easier that way for them.

didn't bother reading the entire thread.. but they aren't they type of indy i'm talking about.. I guess you could say i mean more of 'indy gems'.

 

[gollumtroll]

Well finally we can agree. That has been my whole point. You say back the in day when ladies did it all on their own. Back paddling again you now say different. I have always said they are independents, you said other wise.

Your comment is in reference to:

Your sarcasm is appreciated. But you do have a point with your link. Quickly glancing through the link - When I say 'Indy' I mean girls like Iris, and Riley. Or someone like Amanda on TRZ.

Or girls of the past/semi-retired like Sexy Chanel, Janda (Egyptian), Maya Blu, Ariel Sanchez, Sugar (NY-Asian) etc etc.

All of the girls mentioned handled the entire show and have their own place. But 6-8yrs ago there were many girls like them and at various rates.

What do I mean by 'handled the entire show and have their own place'?:

(a) 'Handled the entire show' means that they are an Independent SP.

(b) '... have their own place' means a private incall location. My interpretation of a private incall location is a location that is not a hotel or shared condo apartment.


Further more based on how you paraphrased my statement on 'All of the girls mentioned handled the entire show and have their own place.' You appear to want extra credit for your services that you provide to clients that do not have the time or expertise to develop their own websites, photos, or advertising. It is borderline narcissistic or overly too proud.

 

[DELETDrileydaniels]

gollumtroll - since you have started this thread it has turned into a circus which is typical terb fashion. if your truly retried from the hobby why are you hanging out around here. it would be like saying your a recovering alcoholic but your sitting in front of a bottle of jack Daniels.

with Craigslist gone those girls who were using it as their only source of advertising have lost a lot. I for one don't really miss CL one bit. you came on here complaining about how there isn't any true indies with no solid definition of what that means who fits that "stereotype" you have created. which is what has causes a lot of tension and heated discussion around here.

now I am thinking if your truly retired from the hobby maybe you should visit some of the Sex Addicts Anonymous meetings they have around the city.

 

[Celticman]

maybe you should visit some of the Sex Addicts Anonymous meetings they have around the city.

Hey Riley, we have high standards and do not admit just every Tom, Dick and Harry...............and we do not meet in private homes!

 

[gollumtroll]

gollumtroll - since you have started this thread it has turned into a circus which is typical terb fashion. if your truly retried from the hobby why are you hanging out around here. it would be like saying your a recovering alcoholic but your sitting in front of a bottle of jack Daniels.

with Craigslist gone those girls who were using it as their only source of advertising have lost a lot. I for one don't really miss CL one bit. you came on here complaining about how there isn't any true indies with no solid definition of what that means who fits that "stereotype" you have created. which is what has causes a lot of tension and heated discussion around here.

now I am thinking if your truly retired from the hobby maybe you should visit some of the Sex Addicts Anonymous meetings they have around the city.

Hmmm Sex Addicts Anonymous.... I will take your suggestion under recommendation. Otherwise even if I was fully retired it doesn't mean I shouldn't par take in Terb discussions. Case in point. When someone enters Alcohol Anonymous and completes the program, they gave back to the AA community by becoming a sponsor and sharing their knowledge. The whole point about Addict Anonymous programs, it is about learning to control the environment.

Hey have you ever heard that saying? Playboy magazine (Terb) - it is not just about the pictures - I enjoy the articles (reviews)....... But I should really change my handle to semi-retired in order to avoid any confusion.

 

[gollumtroll]

Hey Riley, we have high standards and do not admit just every Tom, Dick and Harry...............and we do not meet in private homes!

This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with meeting in private homes. You missed the point. Let me steer you in the right direction. It has to do with the degree of privacy. And if the SP chooses to run their business from their private residence, there is nothing wrong with it. A lot of artisans choose to conduct their business from the privacy of their homes.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Further more based on how you paraphrased my statement on 'All of the girls mentioned handled the entire show and have their own place.' You appear to want extra credit for your services that you provide to clients that do not have the time or expertise to develop their own websites, photos, or advertising. It is borderline narcissistic or overly too proud.

It is not trolling, it is challenging the term you phased. As I said before, you failed to explain yourself and even when repeatedly and politely asked. Even LKD, who was asked one question, answered without issue. You failed to do the same. Seems more like the troll is you. You want nothing to do with hobby because as you put it, it is a bad thing like drugs and the ladies are not longer true indies, yet here you are. Still posting away. I at least have a reason and want to be here.

You appear to be getting flustered and frustrated. Guess that is why you are insisting in trying to insult me and my work ethic. Not that it matters. How I appear to want to have extra credit for my work when I am actually defending the REAL true indies that are out there from your insults is quite funny actually. Although I am proud of my work. Won't deny that. Nothing wrong with pride. I know many of the REAL TRUE INDIES that have been listed by me and others are proud of their hard work too. Maybe, just maybe that is why it is insulting and offensive to say they are not true indies. I really don't get how you can't understand that, but hey.....whatever.......

 

[loveisblind]

why does everyone seem soo lost about what hes saying

he wants to book an sp that is working out of a condo or apartment

and is there alone that's his preference I used to have some men tell me they don't
feel comfortable coming to a hotel with all the eyes looking at them etc

 

[Rockslinger]

I used to have men tell me they don't
feel comfortable coming to a hotel with all the eyes looking at them etc

I like hotels, blend in with the crowd, hang out in the lobby (rather than freeze in a parking lot) and use the washroom downstairs to freshen up before heading upstairs.

 

[loveisblind]

I like hotels, blend in with the crowd, hang out in the lobby (rather than freeze in a parking lot) and use the washroom downstairs to freshen up before heading upstairs.

Had a client come early once he decided to have a beer at the lobby bar