When To Take Poppy Off?

[tboy]

I do not believe if we had lost WW 1 we would have lost freedom

That is nonsense

I wonder: how old are you?

The only people who DIDN'T lose their freedom during WWII Germany/Europe were white aryan pure bloods. Everyone (even german citizens) lost their freedom. As stated, many if not most were conscripted into the army (loss of freedom), most children were taught in aryan schools, how many books did the Nazis burn? Naw, you wouldn't lose any freedoms.....

Do you think if the Nazis took over Europe and England they would not enforce their laws onto conquered nations? Do you think if they took over Europe and England they eventually wouldn't go after the rest of the world? Especially us here in Canada with our huge stores of natural resources?

I think of all the countries the Nazis would aim for would be Canada first as a foot hold to the US.

Now we might not have been eating more sauerkraut and speaking German I would bet any amount of money our two official languages wouldn't be English and French........

 

[Larry_Fyne]

I wonder: how old are you?

The only people who DIDN'T lose their freedom during WWII Germany/Europe were white aryan pure bloods. Everyone (even german citizens) lost their freedom. As stated, many if not most were conscripted into the army (loss of freedom), most children were taught in aryan schools, how many books did the Nazis burn? Naw, you wouldn't lose any freedoms.....

Do you think if the Nazis took over Europe and England they would not enforce their laws onto conquered nations? Do you think if they took over Europe and England they eventually wouldn't go after the rest of the world? Especially us here in Canada with our huge stores of natural resources?

I think of all the countries the Nazis would aim for would be Canada first as a foot hold to the US.

Now we might not have been eating more sauerkraut and speaking German I would bet any amount of money our two official languages wouldn't be English and French........

Maybe you should re-read his quote..... he said WW 1 !!

 

[pencilneckgeek2]

Yes, don't agree with me and call me ignorant.

Very mature.

I never called you ignorant, I said you have ignorance. There's a big difference.

 

[diehard]

Maybe you should re-read his quote..... he said WW 1 !!

Always the Krauts..

 

[tboy]

Maybe you should re-read his quote..... he said WW 1 !!

yeah, my bad....apologies to Yoga.......

 

[spankingman]

I wear mine until 11:00 am Novemebr 18 Mind you I wear it from usually late October or whenever the first sales start ALWAYS from a Legion member or Cadet.

 

[basketcase]

I am amazed at the lack of understanding about WWI. It seems that most people here were either raised on the propaganda of the time or last saw a history class in elementary school.

WWI was not about freedom or German imperialism. It was the result of general European Imperialism as a measure of national worth and the unthinking alliances to back them.

The war ignited not because of German ambition but because Austria wanted to punish Serbia. Russia decided to support the vasal/Ally Serbia and mobilized their army but the Russian process involved mobilizing their army on all fronts. This meant that their troops on their border with Germany were activated. Germany didn't really want to support Austria's trivial war but the Russian troops mobilized on their border forced their hand. The Germans knew that France would support Russia and they couldn't survive a two front war so their plan for a Russian mobilization was to invade France, knock them out of the war and then focus on the Russians. Unfortunately for the Germans the technology and tactics wouldn't allow the quick victory they needed (like they got in the next war).

It is also likely that a German victory over France in a short war would not have resulted in national conquest but like the war between the two 40 years earlier would have resulted in a financial settlement and the usual swapping of borderland.

Germany was not evil in WWI and neither were the Allies. It was a stupid war. That does not take away any regard for the soldiers on either side who did their best for what they though was right.

WWII was an indirect result of WWI as the various factions used the 1st war as a focus for the anger that millions of people felt in during the great depression. I'm pretty sure that the war would have happened even if WWI had a 'fair' settlement. Maybe it would have been a couple years later but it would have happened.

 

[t00lman6969]

Good for you. They died so you'd have that choice. Whether you'd like to admit it or not.

All the more reason not to wear a stupid plastic flower...NOBODY died for my freedom.....I was born free in a country where poppys have no bearing nor does anything in this tread relate to.
All the same goes for that stupid highway of heroes. Dieing in combat does not constitute being a hero...saving a baby from a fire risking ones own life to do so is a hero, whether he/she is a fireman or not! Thats a hero....and i am free because I choose to be, not because of a plastic flower...

 

[Handyman66]

You're such a tool!

The Tool man's a tool

He walked right into that one!

 

[Handyman66]

Are you for real??

Good for you. They died so you'd have that choice. Whether you'd like to admit it or not.

And this was the Tool's response...

All the more reason not to wear a stupid plastic flower...NOBODY died for my freedom.....I was born free in a country where poppys have no bearing nor does anything in this tread relate to.
All the same goes for that stupid highway of heroes. Dieing in combat does not constitute being a hero...saving a baby from a fire risking ones own life to do so is a hero, whether he/she is a fireman or not! Thats a hero....and i am free because I choose to be, not because of a plastic flower...

Clearly you didn't catch Keebler's sarcasm. I'll be a gentleman and not take that thought any further.

You are alive and on this earth and that, my friend, is due to the freedom provided to you by the HEROES that have died. What constitutes a hero is someone that puts themselves at risk for the sake of others. A country is only free because of the heroes that have kept it that way.

Expand your mind. It's a wonderful thing!

 

[Cycleguy007]

The first time was a joke...

All the more reason not to wear a stupid plastic flower...NOBODY died for my freedom.....I was born free in a country where poppys have no bearing nor does anything in this tread relate to.
All the same goes for that stupid highway of heroes. Dieing in combat does not constitute being a hero...saving a baby from a fire risking ones own life to do so is a hero, whether he/she is a fireman or not! That's a hero....and i am free because I choose to be, not because of a plastic flower...

This time it is not....

Quit living up to your TERB handle Tool!

(Isn't history mandatory teaching in our schools?)

 

[Brill]

Every year it's the same thing over and over again, keyboard heroes fighting their nice little Remembrance Day War on the internet.

 

[Aardvark154]

WWI was not about freedom or German imperialism. It was the result of general European Imperialism as a measure of national worth and the unthinking alliances to back them.

The war ignited not because of German ambition but because Austria wanted to punish Serbia. Russia decided to support the vasal/Ally Serbia and mobilized their army but the Russian process involved mobilizing their army on all fronts. This meant that their troops on their border with Germany were activated. Germany didn't really want to support Austria's trivial war but the Russian troops mobilized on their border forced their hand. The Germans knew that France would support Russia and they couldn't survive a two front war so their plan for a Russian mobilization was to invade France, knock them out of the war and then focus on the Russians.

It was even more complicated that you make it out to be, and TERB is truly not a good venue to discuss it.

But in brief: Germany had been pushing Austria-Hungary for years, as their roles reversed and Germany became the dominant power. Prince von Bismark had been able to keep the Kaiser under control, however when he was dismissed. . . .

Germany was not at all fond of Archduke Franz Ferdinand the Heir Presumptive - in significant part because he saw that it was essential to the continued future of the Habsburg Monarchy to make it's Slavic peoples equal partners with its German and Hungarian peoples. Certainly after he came to the Throne Emperor Karl did his best to rectify the situation but between Germany and President Wilson he and the Empire were doomed.

Russian mobilization was inefficient at best, when the Tsar wanted to mobilize only against Austria-Hungary he was told that this would throw mobilization into a disastrous state of confusion it was either all or nothing - whether or not this would have been true is open to debate.

Remember that despite the Triple Entente the United Kingdom and the Dominion delayed and delayed going to war what finally pushed the U.K. into war was the violation of Belgium neutrality - again you will recall that the Germany Army told the Kaiser that if they did not invade Belgium they could not promise him a successful outcome of the war.


I strongly recomend Barbara Tuchman's August 1914 republished as The Guns of August.

 

[t00lman6969]

We are free no matter what, freedom is a figure of speach, and is interpreted differently by everyone. We are not free if you go by definition, we are governed by more and more laws restricting us in every move we make. George Orwells 1984 tells us all about our "freedom" . We are being watched by evrybody everywhere. Every Debit transaction, phone call , pasword we enter , even on here we are not free! As I am being ridiculed and called names on here is just another freedom limiting act. As I will surely get banned from here is in fact lack of freedom! So take your poppys, crosses, budda's cellphones , and anyother symbolic items you have and dump them in the septic....cuz when you are dead then you are totally free, but not before that in any way, so dont preach freedom unless you know what your talking about!

 

[CapitalGuy]

Hello, Bellevue? We have a pickup......

 

[spankingman]

All the more reason not to wear a stupid plastic flower...NOBODY died for my freedom.....I was born free in a country where poppys have no bearing nor does anything in this tread relate to.
All the same goes for that stupid highway of heroes. Dieing in combat does not constitute being a hero...saving a baby from a fire risking ones own life to do so is a hero, whether he/she is a fireman or not! Thats a hero....and i am free because I choose to be, not because of a plastic flower...

I would call you an ASSHOLE but an asshole is USEFULL!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!

 

[diehard]

i am amazed at the lack of understanding about wwi. It seems that most people here were either raised on the propaganda of the time or last saw a history class in elementary school.

Wwi was not about freedom or german imperialism. It was the result of general european imperialism as a measure of national worth and the unthinking alliances to back them.

The war ignited not because of german ambition but because austria wanted to punish serbia. Russia decided to support the vasal/ally serbia and mobilized their army but the russian process involved mobilizing their army on all fronts. This meant that their troops on their border with germany were activated. Germany didn't really want to support austria's trivial war but the russian troops mobilized on their border forced their hand. The germans knew that france would support russia and they couldn't survive a two front war so their plan for a russian mobilization was to invade france, knock them out of the war and then focus on the russians. Unfortunately for the germans the technology and tactics wouldn't allow the quick victory they needed (like they got in the next war).

It is also likely that a german victory over france in a short war would not have resulted in national conquest but like the war between the two 40 years earlier would have resulted in a financial settlement and the usual swapping of borderland.

Germany was not evil in wwi and neither were the allies. It was a stupid war. That does not take away any regard for the soldiers on either side who did their best for what they though was right.

Wwii was an indirect result of wwi as the various factions used the 1st war as a focus for the anger that millions of people felt in during the great depression. I'm pretty sure that the war would have happened even if wwi had a 'fair' settlement. Maybe it would have been a couple years later but it would have happened.

+1...

 

[tboy]

......

Expand your mind. It's a wonderful thing!

Not in toolman's case lol......

 

[tboy]

We are free no matter what, freedom is a figure of speach, and is interpreted differently by everyone. We are not free if you go by definition, we are governed by more and more laws restricting us in every move we make. George Orwells 1984 tells us all about our "freedom" . We are being watched by evrybody everywhere. Every Debit transaction, phone call , pasword we enter , even on here we are not free! As I am being ridiculed and called names on here is just another freedom limiting act. As I will surely get banned from here is in fact lack of freedom! So take your poppys, crosses, budda's cellphones , and anyother symbolic items you have and dump them in the septic....cuz when you are dead then you are totally free, but not before that in any way, so dont preach freedom unless you know what your talking about!

Whoa, did you forget to wear your tinfoil hat this morning?

You are free to:
1) Live where you want
2) work at whatever job you want (or not work at all)
3) own property
4) own a car
5) have as many kids as you want
6) live where you want (within reason)
7) Travel wherever you want without restriction
8) leave the country and return whenever you want
9) speak whatever language you want
10) practise any religion you want or none at all.
11) go to any school you want (after grade school)
12) Study whatever subject you want (after grade school)

Many countries don't have any or all of the above. If you think you're so restricted I'd suggest you GTFO of Canada and go live in China.....

 

[diehard]

2) work at whatever job you want (or not work at all)

I wish I could not work at all...