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Ryan1967

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Thanks for engaging Amber. I did a bit more research as well, there is some truth it seems to this. From my reading it looks like gonorrhea might have a tougher time being transmitted orally, that said, both HSV and HPD is VERY easy to transmit orally, even via kissing and Syphillis can also be easily transmitted orally. So were you referring to gonorrhea or to other STI's?

For those interested gonorrhea can have a more challenging time given that the bacteria might not survive as well in the mouth as on the genitals.

From what I have read/heard STI's that are passed through contact are not "easily" passed through oral, but it can and does happen and is definitely a risk, but they are much more likely to be passed from genital contact.

I'm actually surprised(yet also not at all) at the amount of guys on here okay with this activity with SP's.
 

Ryan1967

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Bare genital to genital contact in no way is the same risk as DFK or BBBJ. That is why the SP's are shocked someone would expect to find ladies open to this. As I said with a condom and with the guy on top, that's fine. But having the girl on top with or without a condom and sliding all the way down like that is too much bare skin to skin contact that would worry me, as it should you, about STI's.

We may get checked regularly (about every 3 months) for our safety, but I highly doubt clients are as diligent and careful in their hobbying and personal life to get checked that frequently. No one wants to take risks for contracting permanent diseases like genital herpes.
Herpes can most certainly be transmitted orally, they are commonly called cold sores on the mouth, but it is the same virus (HSV-1), true that some genital herpes is HSV-2, but they can also live just fine in the mouth, I think the risk of transmission of herpes is just as high for genital to genital than genital to mouth contact, same with any kind of open mouth kissing (dfk or lfk). Are you aware of other STI's that are only transmitted skin to skin on the outer genitals?
 

Ryan1967

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Yes there is HSV-1 and HSV-2. The point is, it is much easier to see on a person's face if they have any cold sores or sores in general. When it comes to genitals, and especially shaving where people can have razor burn, ingrown hairs, redness and marks anything that looks like it COULD be HSV-2 should be a red flag to not have any genital to genital contact, and many of us prefer to be on the safe side and just have 0 genital to genital contact, and be very aware of what we are putting our mouth on in terms of kissing or bbbj, because we can get a good look at everything at the same time. With genital contact you don't have a good vantage point to see what's going on and avoid any areas of concern, so I'd rather err on the side of caution.
Totally valid points...with bbbj and daty the "line of sight" is indeed clearer and no one is going to dfk with someone who has a cold sore, so I do understand your point that "in the dark" pussy slides without a visual first would indeed be a bad idea. The point that I was trying to make is that the risks of transmission is actually the same with a pussy slide and bbbj/daty. Your point is the the risks in bbbj/daty are mitigated somewhat by visual inspection, point taken. Same could be said for other STI's I guess though HPV chalmydia often do not have visual symptoms.

Are you really insistent that ladies should be offering bare pussyslides because to you it's "exactly" the same risk as DFK or BBBJ? I hope not. You're not a provider, you don't know the kind of stuff we have to deal with just to stay safe.
Excuse me? I was trying to participate in this thread to help understand the risks...at which point did I insist that ladies should provide this? Please do not put words in my mouth. No, I am not a provider and I would never insist on anyone providing any service, safe or otherwise, I believe that SP's can and should be able to choose...on any matters...especially those related to their safety.
 

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Wow, what a bad buzz you guys are. Fuck it looked awesome and if it ever happened not sure I would stop.
 

thumper18474

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This topic about risk/reward has be talked about Adnauseam...
theres atleast a dozen threads on the risks.

There are risks in everything we do
Every day
Gauge your Risk/reward quotient and decide for yourselves.
As far as the Original posters question...

Asked
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When someone argues that DFK and BBBJ are the same risk as a pussyside or BBFS.... it can come across very badly. All I can say is be very careful when talking about this because few ladies want to see any clients who would say or believe such things. In one instance we are choosing to offer DFK and/or BBBJ, so if anyone comes to the assumption that it's the same risk as XXX service they want, you can see how that would scare some providers and put them off.

It is much easier for a lady to receive an STI internally and NOT know due to the nature of our vagina being moist, dark, and hard to look into, versus a penis which a man and others are much more able to visually inspect. One reason we get tested very frequently, but again we have no assurances that clients are doing the same, frequently or if ever in some cases.

http://www.fhi360.org/sites/default/files/webpages/Modules/STD/s1pg22.htm

"Women are also biologically more vulnerable to STDs than are men. Women are more susceptible to STDs during sexual intercourse because the vaginal surface is larger and more vulnerable to sexual secretions than the primarily skin-covered penis. Also, the volume of potentially infected male ejaculate deposited in a woman’s vagina during intercourse is larger than the potentially infected cervical and vaginal secretions to which men are exposed.

STDs in women tend to go untreated because they are often asymptomatic. As already noted, an untreated STD increases susceptibility to HIV infection."

So personally I won't ever want to take risks when it comes to genital to genital contact, or bodily fluids coming near my vagina. Pussyslides can transfer bodily fluids, many many men produce precum and that can mix with our fluids which can transfer STI's not visible to the naked eye as well.
I am not arguing for or against this Charlotte, I am participating in an evidence based dialog, and I appreciate you engaging on the topic. I think everyone on the board will concur that BBFS (which is the bulk of your post) is extremely high risk for both partners. You have convincingly argued that pussy slides are higher risk for transmission of visible STI's due to the lack of...well...visibility during a pussy slide.

Your last point is of interest, you mention STI's that are not visible that can be transmitted from male pre-coital fluid when in contact with the outer labia, which STI's are you referring to? Again...I am not trying to pick a side...I have no horse in this race and have never expressed any opinion for or against pussy slides...I am simply trying to understand.
 
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Charlotte, you might want to consider a smaller photo for your signature, it's hardly discrete for those lads who have to worry about prying eyes :) ( it's a great photo though!!) it also eats up a lot of screen space for those viewing on a mobile device.
 
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Having read this thread in depth......

It's not the same as potentially getting chicken pox or a virus by being in close proximity of someone. In order to get STI's you have to do very specific things in order to get them. Specifics like bare genital touching.

Gohnorrhea is now a superbug in the U.K. The issue with some STI's is you need antibiotics, and when they are used often enough you develop a resistance and cause a stronger strain.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/
http://www.healthmap.org/site/disea...bug-meet-antibiotic-resistant-gonorrhea-52913
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/30/gonorrhea-super-strain-becoming-untreatable.html

Syphilis can also be transmitted through genital to genital touching. Is no one worried about tertiary syphilis and dementia when you are older?

Sadly pussyslides are used to try and 'slip one in' very frequently. Girls have also complained about this adnauseum. I had experienced that when I was "eager and new". I'm also telling you I was uncomfortable with it but did not want to complain to the agency because it was repeatedly stated that " I could do whatever I wanted, but I would lose clients". The same with BBBJ.

If you can't respect that your 'little bit of extra fun' can destroy my business, sex life, and destroy my potential relationships in the future because I got herpes form letting people rub their bare genitals all over mine despite knowing it's a direct cause....

It's funny, there is so much slut shamming on terb and comments about girls turning out high client rates as being "unclassy", or being "dirty", or 'getting vibes' off a provider to tell if she is 'clean or not" e.t.c e.t.c
Then we look on threads and people seem to get huffy at ladies who want to stay safe. Who are knowledgeable about STI', who haven't gotten any despite 'law of statistics', and who advocate safe sex.

And we get called buzzkills....

And people PM each other to look for MA's and Sp's who will do very high risk activities....
and then people get STD"s.
And then people wonder why society hates escorts, and clients.
And then people complain about Bill- C36....

If people aren't playing safe, and are taking advantage of girls who don't know any better, are being pressured to keep clients by competition, clients, or agencies... and are being callous towards providers personal limitations, limitations based solely on safety...
You can't really complain about there being a lack of good providers in the area then.
Attractive people who take pride in their business, appearance, health, and personal lives do not want to engage in extremely high risk activities and they do not want their lives ruined. They do not want to be put out of business due to a permanent STI either.
If a girl feels like she is being pressured, taken advantage of, disrespected, or put in a high risk scenario, she is not going to be warm. Her services are going to be mechanical. She is going to be drunk or high off her ass to cope.

I have seen this time and time again with other girls. I experienced a bit of this personally when I was new.
Shame on people here blaming girls connections for putting a damper on services. That Sp may very well have gotten an STD, and thankfully nothing permanent. That girl may have more respect for herself and not want to do it now. That girl may not be pressured by an agency. She may now have enough clients that she does not want need to do it.That girl may actually understand the risks. Preying on ignorance, and especially young, isolated women is nothing short of vile.

For those who complain so much, and want so many high risk activities, and to pay less than what has ever been charged in this industry...
Give your head a shake.
You reap what you sow.

I say this, not to change anyones current mind- if you downplay the risks, pressure girls for BBFS, pussy slides, and BBBJ- if they are very very uncomfortable with it , then you are already very stuck on this idea. You are also not thinking about the SP, her future, or your future outside this hobby. You will continue to do what you do.

I say this in the hope that new clients, who are just getting to be a part of this subculture, actually think about what their actions can do to themselves, their future relationships, and their Sp's body and future relationships. They should also look at how you can ruin an industry too.

It's very easy to have a lot of fun in this industry. It's very easy to find an Sp who gives you a great time, and it's easy enough to prevent STI's. I really hope newcomers look at this and feel a bit of empathy and consideration for all involved, and think with their big head, not the little one.
 

thumper18474

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Let all take a step back and think for a second...
it takes 2 to tango...
the way I'm reading some of these post from you ladies...it's like the clients are asking..suggesting and/or..demanding this activity!
Thatl you ladies can offer or not whatever you feel comfortable with is and has never been up for debate...but remember the original question...
and the subsequent video that accompanied the question
she was on top
she was the one initiating it
and it did not look like to me that she was coerced into it..
and as far as the comment of
"Trying to slip it in"...if she is on top...who did the initiating??????
Ya just don't pick her up and drop her on top of your dick for a slide...
we as hobbyist will take ownership for our behavior ...but we expect the same from you ladies
 
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ChloeSummers

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I understand your position about the initial post, it's more the comments that followed and the lack of understanding on risks that has people in a fuss.

There has also been comments on it being okay. There has been experiences from ladies of clients requesting this activity, forcing this activity, and PMing about Sp's who will do this activity.
While the video is of a girl on top that is not the only position to do a 'pussy slide' in.
As an SP who has been around for some time I am saying it is not okay, and why. I also maintain that it will not be a part of my GFE or PSE experience- that is taking responsibility.

Unfortunately as much as we would all love this hobby to be more porn-like, there are just some things that are better left off the table.
A lot of hot feelings have been posted on this board because many, many ladies are now having requests for BBFS, are being pressured or guilted into it, and are having people try to 'slip it in'. I now have to text people no BBFS when they ask what an experience with me is like. It's asked that often.
This is a potential pre-curser to BBFS. We do not want to go down that route as providers.

In terms of that video; it looks very fun and enjoyable. It really is too bad that it's off the table for responsible SP's who care about themselves and clients. It's also way beyond any genital contact I have ever seen personally or heard of. wow, that is pretty hardcore. But again, that is pretty well penetration. You would be all up in the persons labia and there would be a mass amount of fluid exchange. Why ever bother with condoms after that point? :S
That pretty well is BBFS. Half the width of the guys dick is in her.

Let all take a step back and think for a second...
it takes 2 to tango...
the way I'm reading some of these post from you ladies...it's like the clients are asking..suggesting and/or..demanding this activity!
Thatl you ladies can offer or not whatever you feel comfortable with is and has never been up for debate...but remember the original question...
and the subsequent video that accompanied the question
she was on top
she was the one initiating it
and it did not look like to me that she was coerced into it..
and as far as the comment of
"Trying to slip it in"...if she is on top...who did the initiating??????
Ya just don't pick her up and drop her on top of your dick for a slide...
we as hobbyist will take ownership for our behavior ...but we expect the same from you ladies
 

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pussyslide is very safe lol have been doing that for years and never have a problem lol love it
 

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Wow, another one of those...

Peoples., clients and SP/MA, I'm sorry but if you are afraid of catching anything, stay home and do not get involved in that business for Christ sake.

Else, it is on all, clients AND SP/MA to decide what they are willing to go for in term of risk.

And do not try please, to judge peoples. Some here judge the one that ask for those "experience" quite severely and I'm tire of this kind of "me what I do is safe and I'm better than you".

If you go and ask 90% of the peoples out there, they will judge YOU, the hobbyist AND SP/MA the same way you are judging peoples that are asking for more.

So, if you like at it that way, depending where you are sitting, every one is "bad".

The only thing important here is RESPECT and no one being forced.

my2cents
 
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