What should registering a gun cost? [i]hurriedly ducks[/i]

[booboobear]

What a load of crap!!!!! The only God given right you have, and anyone on this planet has,

And who are you , God to determine what our God given rights are.


By the way he said rights not God given, I'm sure God has more important things to worry about.

 

[anon1]

Like spot checks where the police show up at your home without warning.

So registering a firearm allows the Gestopo to enter your home unannounced at any time.
Demonize gun owners and you can take away their civil rights.
Then you can:
Demonize homosexuals and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize Jews and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize Muslims and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize non-whites and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize SP's and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize hobbyists and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize smokers and you can take away their civil rights.
Demonize you and take away your civil rights.

What price are you willing to pay for this so called security?

 

[oldjones]

So registering a firearm allows the Gestopo to enter your home unannounced at any time.
Demonize gun owners and you can take away their civil rights.
Then you can:
Demonize [various other minorities listed] and you can take away their civil rights.Demonize you and take away your civil rights.

What price are you willing to pay for this so called security?

Thanks for almost getting the thread back on topic anon1 which is : the actual cost of registering guns and their owners.
When I asked the question, I was trying to avoid—HA!ha!—discussions of whether they should be registered, since that's already a done deal. All I was asking was: is a dollar cost in the same range as drivers' and car licenses a reasonable cost? It's clearly way too easy to find people so intent on registration they'd say no price, not even loss of civil liberties, is too much to pay. Likewise, others might say arrest and even jail are a small price to pay for not registering. Both legitimate—if extreme—opinions, and neither's likely to convince the undecided or each other.
It's just that the election was spawning lots of "$2 billion gun registry boondoggle" and I am still trying to figure out a 'real' price. You wouldn't care to try to come up with a figure would you?

 

[oldjones]

The cost should be $ 0

I don't agree with it either and in all respect Mr Jones I don't think you can expect someone to comment on the cost without also saying they either agree or don't agree with gun registry.

I am totally 100 % against it.

I've got no probs with comments, but I've also had only two 'actual' costs proposed.
As a f'rinstance: you say $0. If that was an 'actual' answer, then you are expecting the cost of the registry to be paid for by all taxpayers, out of general revenue, instead of user-pay, like car licenses, and most other such registrations. But I suspect it was a 'political' answer i.e: the cost should be nothing, because there should be no registration. Your opinion, and welcome to it, but not an answer to my question. I probably needed to phrase it better.
Try to imagine you have all your existing opinions, but you work for the government, and your boss says to you, "Our political masters, in all their questionable wisdom have decided we must register all guns and their owners. Our section has to come up with a price, a registration fee, that recovers some (or all) of the costs of getting the forms out, and processing and filing them and such. There's a partial list of requirements at the top o' the thread. Please come up with a number and have it on my desk—with reasons if you'd like—by tomorrow morning."

 

[WhOiSyOdAdDy?]

They can register my gun after they pry if from my hand when I am good and dead.

 

[oldjones]

They can register my gun after they pry if from my hand when I am good and dead.

Aha! The man behind the WYD handle revealed! Thanks for Canadianizing your stock speech Mr Heston. But quite apart from the unwisdom of believing anyone whose profession is pretending sincerity while mouthing the fictions of others—lying for money in other words—it's not responsive to the question.
It costs $75 to $100 or so for a passport, or a drivers' license or to register your car, what's a realistic cost for a gun registration?

 

[baci2004]

There is a lot of people paying $700-$1000 a year to belong to guns ranges just so that they can own a handgun, so I figure $100-$150 for reg. shouldn't be too rich for their blood.

Now for the hijack...sorry. Does anyone here have a prohibited firearms lic? I have have a few questions if you do. Pm if you like.

 

[oldjones]

So far $100 seems to predominate, w/ one suggesttion at $30—presumably to encourage compliance, like the actual fee charged now. A handful of tax and spend types who proposed $0 clearly expect the taxpayer to pay the full shot.
Sadly such issues are seldom so clearly 'on the table' at election time that one can say: "look at the numbers, x% of voters approved this". But 2/3 of the electorate did choose parties other than the one that promised to scrap the registry. The Liberals are obviously in favour of their own program, and the Bloc and NDP both support the registry concept while decrying the cost. At $100 per registration, the gov't could have brought in almost a billion dollars, instead of $166 million from their current loss-leader fees which don't appease the antis or the pros.

 

[booboobear]

I've got no probs with comments, but I've also had only two 'actual' costs proposed.
As a f'rinstance: you say $0. If that was an 'actual' answer, then you are expecting the cost of the registry to be paid for by all taxpayers, ."

Since I have been in pricing and estimating all my life it would be quite easy fro me to come up with a cost if I knew

A How many people are really needed to implement and mantain the system

B how much these people are paid or should be paid

C The cost of paper work and time involved in monitoring the registry.

Having said that I believe like with other government fees a lot of it is a hidden tax.

To answer your real question yes if they must have a gun registry it should be $ 0 funded from taxes after all they tax guns and ammo. The actual real cost to the government should be no more than $ 30 per person so take it out of general taxes.

 

[oldjones]

Thanks for the response booboo. If the bureaucrats knew A, B, and C they too would have known the cost. Unlike you and me, they had to come up with an answer w/o knowing those things. And then the politicians got involved.
Without those answers to A, B, and C, all I could think of for comparison were passports and car/driver permits.
As for my "real question": I didn't quite understand your answer, beyond "$0 funded from taxes". Because the repetition of the $2 billion number was getting to me, my real question really is: What do you think such a record keeping system should cost per record?