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On her show “Super Soul Sunday” this past weekend, Oprah Winfrey interviewed marathon swimmer Diana Nyad about everything from her incredible endurance to her spiritual beliefs.

The part that struck a chord with me — and many other atheists — was Winfrey’s dismissal of Nyad’s non-religious label. Nyad explained that she called herself an atheist but that didn’t take anything away from the awe she felt about the world and all of its inhabitants. To her, “God” was humanity.

Winfrey clearly didn’t understand that, responding, “Well, I don’t call you an atheist then! I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery, that that is what God is!”

First of all, Winfrey’s definition of God is fairly meaningless, applying to everything and nothing all at once.

More importantly, however, was the (unintentional) implication that those of us who find beauty in plants and animals and the universe itself can’t possibly be godless. That’s a common stereotype atheists face and it’s an incredibly pernicious one, made even worse because it was repeated by a celebrity of Winfrey’s stature

On her show “Super Soul Sunday” this past weekend, Oprah Winfrey interviewed marathon swimmer Diana Nyad about everything from her incredible endurance to her spiritual beliefs.

The part that struck a chord with me — and many other atheists — was Winfrey’s dismissal of Nyad’s non-religious label. Nyad explained that she called herself an atheist but that didn’t take anything away from the awe she felt about the world and all of its inhabitants. To her, “God” was humanity.

Winfrey clearly didn’t understand that, responding, “Well, I don’t call you an atheist then! I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery, that that is what God is!”

First of all, Winfrey’s definition of God is fairly meaningless, applying to everything and nothing all at once.

More importantly, however, was the (unintentional) implication that those of us who find beauty in plants and animals and the universe itself can’t possibly be godless. That’s a common stereotype atheists face and it’s an incredibly pernicious one, made even worse because it was repeated by a celebrity of Winfrey’s stature.

I doubt Oprah would ever tell a self-described lesbian that she was really a bisexual, or a moderate Republican that he was really an Independent. Most of us who choose a label for ourselves like that do so only after a great deal of thought. That’s why Winfrey had no business telling Nyad she wasn’t really an atheist. Nyad politely explained her case, but you can understand her hesitation to push back too hard. It’s Oprah, after all.

But let’s get back to the real question at hand: Are atheists capable of feeling awe about our world?

Absolutely.

Atheist musicians experience that feeling when playing or listening to a beautiful composition.

Atheist scientists experience that feeling when they gaze at the stars or look through a microscope.

Atheist parents experience that feeling when they first lay eyes on their newborn child.

There’s nothing religious about it. It’s just nature: elusive, expansive, and enveloping. You don’t need to look for a Higher Power to give thanks. Sometimes, you can just bask in the wonderful way the world turned out, considering all the ways it could have gone in another direction. As Richard Dawkins so wonderfully wrote in his book “Unweaving the Rainbow,” “We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born.” For Dawkins, there’s even a beauty to death. We are fortunate enough to experience this blink in the life of the universe. Let’s not waste our time giving credit where it’s not due.

Diana Nyad, who has spent so much of her life battling and embracing the ocean, understands all of that perfectly well. Religious people don’t have a monopoly on appreciating the world we live in — and Nyad, a proud atheist, is living proof of that.

Hemant Mehta is the author of “The Young Atheist’s Survival Guide” and a blogger at FriendlyAtheist.com.
 

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The part that struck a chord with me — and many other atheists — was Winfrey’s dismissal of Nyad’s non-religious label. Nyad explained that she called herself an atheist but that didn’t take anything away from the awe she felt about the world and all of its inhabitants. To her, “God” was humanity.

Winfrey clearly didn’t understand that, responding, “Well, I don’t call you an atheist then! I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery, that that is what God is!”
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If I were Nyad I would just call myself a non-religious person
(without saying I am spiritual in anyway of course) rather than an
atheist. Not that I think the atheist label is a social stigma one wants
to run away from. But the thing is shallow people which means
most of them just can't comprehend that atheism is the rational way
of thinking and living in a secular society. Calling yourself an atheist is
an invitation of that kind of garbage from a bimbo like Oprah.
 

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If I were Nyad I would just call myself a non-religious person
(without saying I am spiritual in anyway of course) rather than an
atheist. Not that I think the atheist label is a social stigma one wants
to run away from. But the thing is shallow people which means
most of them just can't comprehend that atheism is the rational way
of thinking and living in a secular society. Calling yourself an atheist is
an invitation of that kind of garbage from a bimbo like Oprah.
Pretty much agree,...in the US,...saying you are an atheist prompts a blank stunned look from many down there,...its a religious dirty word.

The rest of the free world has pretty much out grown that silliness.

So she tried to ease The Opra into the concept by adding a little bit of spiritualism ,...but obviously it didn't work.

This is why I don't use the rather outdated "religious label" to describe my religious status,...as you said,..."non-religious" is a far better, and a more up to date way of conveying ones religious status.

Your being kind by calling people like The Opra,...shallow.

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Sure if good genes and affirmative action helped me to jump start my career to become disgustingly rich, I'd believe in God too, or Spaghetti Monster or whatever the fuck 'It' is lol
 

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My observation is that most people of faith are FAR more comfortable with the idea of their own mortality, than are those who deride religion.
 

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My observation is that most people of faith are FAR more comfortable with the idea of their own mortality, than are those who deride religion.
Of coarse,...that's part of the seduction,...they think their going to heaven,...while the none believers, know its simply the end.

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Not uncommon

I think its safe to say that Oprah is a very wealthy moron... Money don't buy smarts...
I have to disagree,...the lady is VERY bright,...but she just happens to have this little mental glitch....that's all.

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I think its safe to say that Oprah is a very wealthy moron... Money don't buy smarts...
Wow, you're calling a self-made billionaire a moron? That says a lot about you I think. Love her or hate her, she is a genius. An overweight African American woman who started a talk show in the 80's became an American Icon. I can't stand her, but I respect her success and intelligence.
 

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The only person who can legitmately hate Oprah is Phil Donahue. I've never understood a lot of the hate directed towards her. I would say that for a lot of middle America housewives liking her was analagous to "I'm not racist...I have lots of black friends"
 

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He doesn't hater her, his time was over.

I didn't say he actually hated her. He does have cause as she took his premise and capitalized big time. He was on until '96 so I hardly think his time was over when Oprah first broke.
 

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I didn't say he actually hated her. He does have cause as she took his premise and capitalized big time. He was on until '96 so I hardly think his time was over when Oprah first broke.
You did actually say he hated her. She may have hastened his exit but his time was over. I love Phil Donahue, he was a pioneer, but like others, his time had come.
 

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You did actually say he hated her. She may have hastened his exit but his time was over. I love Phil Donahue, he was a pioneer, but like others, his time had come.
No. I said he can legitimately hate Oprah. That's different than him actually hating Oprah.
 
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