What Now, NDP

[waynec]

People who are anti-Ford are highly likely to make sure they vote for someone else, anybody else.

Low voter turnout means less desire for change.
Plus Ford supporters saw less urgency to vote as they were not needed.

Bob Rae still haunts the NDP. Kathleen W. will haunt thr Liberals for years to come. Will take Doug any day of the week. without Rob Ford, the Fords will make a lasting legacy in Ontario.

 

[Butler1000]

I was just reading along happily in this thread, content, so utterly content that the PC party won the other night.

And then I read your comment....

You hit the nail right on the head.

Bill Davis was the last great premiere this province had. And I was just a kid when he left office. But Bill Davis was very much a centrist. As were Robarts and Frost before him.

The PC "big blue machine" governed this province from the center for 42 or 43 years continuously. They only fucked up when they nominated Frank Miller to succeed Bill Davis as Miller was a right winger.

If Ford continues to govern responsibly and from the centre, he will be reelected in 4 years. I have no doubt of that.

This is my ideal government - centrist and responsible. Perfect.

Davis and the rest were builders. The College system. The TTC and more. Ford is looking at the Ring of Fire, the 413, and I'm betting more.

At the same time he passed the first right to disconnect legislation in Canada.

I think the Pandemic changed his thinking. He rose to the occasion, realized what governing really means, and is going to increase his voter base in the long run. The yahoos have all split off into the two fringe parties. He won't pander to them anymore. And certainly doesn't have to worry over a leadership review at this point.

 

[probyn]

merge with the Libs and the Greens... all 3 have the same policies anyway and are just splitting the vote and allowing the Cons to win.

The Liberals and NDP hate each other, so merging is very unlikely to happen. The Liberals need to ask what kind of party they want to be. They use to be a big tent centralist party (although they have been both left wing and right wing in the past [Bill Davis use to boast that his party was more left wing thn Robert Nixon's Liberal party] ). I would recommend that they move to the centre.

 

[rhuarc29]

merge with the Libs and the Greens... all 3 have the same policies anyway and are just splitting the vote and allowing the Cons to win.

I thought this as well, but even if their policies are similar, the general public don't have that perception of them yet. Many see the Liberals as more moderate than the NDP, and hence safer. If they were to merge, I believe it would push more voters towards the Conservatives.

 

[Darts]

Robert Nixon once gave a speech to a bunch of optometrists. Behind him was a picture of a huge eye.

He joked he was thankful he wasn't giving a speech to a bunch gynecologists.

 

[Darts]

"As for Toronto, of the 22 seats up for grabs in the 2014 election, the Liberals took 20 and the NDP two while the PCs were shutout. However, the PCs got their foot in the door through a byelection win by Raymond Cho in Scarborough—Rouge River in 2016. The PCs then went flooding through the door in the 2018 general election, matching the NDP with 11 seats each, while the Liberals fell to three seats in Toronto."

"The final tally of Toronto's 25 ridings had the Progressive Conservatives coming out ahead with 12 seats, followed by the NDP at 9 and Liberals at 4."

The PC's also swept the 905.
UPDATED: PCs sweep Ontario, settle for healthy seat lead in Toronto | News | toronto.com

 

[wigglee]

The key to political power in Ontario (but not downtown Toronto) are the POC's. Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, the Chinese, etc. are naturally conservative and have conservative values.

The risk is that the second and third generations of POC's will be corrupted by the NDP and Liberals.

yea.... those POCs just love the party of the "old stock Canadians"