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S.C. Joe

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Gee thought this place would be going nuts about Mr. Harper saying he never nothing about a bribe but then is hear on tape talking about it.
 

basketcase

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I guess in their mind, bribery of government officials ranks far below the political favours they attack the previous government for.
 

notenufmuff

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basketcase said:
I guess in their mind, bribery of government officials ranks far below the political favours they attack the previous government for.
Historically the Liberals are #1 for scandals, bribes and corruption.
 

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notenufmuff said:
Historically the Liberals are #1 for scandals, bribes and corruption.
I think only because historically they've been in power more.

I suspect if you do something like count the number of scandals and divide by the number of years in office that it's more or less the same.

The two politicians in the media at the moment for taking bribes are a current and a former Conservative prime minister.

We've also got the current Finance Minister suprising Ontario with a train line that no-one in his Ministry has costed out that follows a careful route through the ridings of as many Conservative MP's as possible.

No scent of corruption there.
 

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S.C. Joe said:
Gee thought this place would be going nuts about Mr. Harper saying he never nothing about a bribe but then is hear on tape talking about it.
I guess we just expect this sort of thing now from politicians.
 

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I don't think we have heard the whole story here. I have no idea what the bribe offer was but you can bet there was one of some sort. One thing I know though is you can't buy a life insurance policy on someone with terminal cancer so that part of it has to be bogus.

The only question is whether the actual bribe offer was more or less than what Martin gave Belinda.

The only guy who was a class act in this was Cadman. More than Stronach anyway.

And what the heck is a natural government? :D
 

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You can buy a life insurance policy on someone who is terminally ill. The premiums will just be equal to or greater than the payout. If you can't buy the policy from a Canadian insurer a group like Lloyds would be glad to take your money.

Doing so can even be fiscally sensible for tax reasons.
 

basketcase

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fuji said:
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We've also got the current Finance Minister suprising Ontario with a train line that no-one in his Ministry has costed out that follows a careful route through the ridings of as many Conservative MP's as possible...
To add, he is very concerned with attacking the Ontario government (which just happens to be the one that kicked him out of power).

train said:
... I have no idea what the bribe offer was but you can bet there was one of some sort. ...
The news is reporting the details and has since the story broke.
 

danmand

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basketcase said:
To add, he is very concerned with attacking the Ontario government (which just happens to be the one that kicked him out of power).
It is surprising to me that a federal finance minister would caution investors
against starting businesses in Ontario.

Is the current government not a government for all of Canada?
 

LancsLad

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danmand said:
It is surprising to me that a federal finance minister would caution investors
against starting businesses in Ontario.

Is the current government not a government for all of Canada?


Was the previous one???????????????????
 

danmand

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LancsLad said:
Was the previous one???????????????????
Do you think it is OK for a federal finance minister to discourage investment
in Ontario?

PS: I don't give a rats ass for whoever is in government in Canada. I just
cannot believe that a federal minister would make such a statement.
 

dcbogey

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train said:
I don't think we have heard the whole story here. I have no idea what the bribe offer was but you can bet there was one of some sort. One thing I know though is you can't buy a life insurance policy on someone with terminal cancer so that part of it has to be bogus.
One theory making the rounds is that the conservatives would continue to pay for Cadman's existing life insurance policy he had as an MP. No medical exam would have been necessary. It's a continuation of existing coverage.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080229.wcadman01/BNStory/National/home
 

LancsLad

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danmand said:
Do you think it is OK for a federal finance minister to discourage investment
in Ontario?

PS: I don't give a rats ass for whoever is in government in Canada. I just
cannot believe that a federal minister would make such a statement.


As a Conservative you've got to look for a good ROI. These days tax rates and levies can kill profits, so in the interest of business the Minister was simply offering up some fairly standard advice.

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fuji

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LancsLad said:
These days tax rates and levies can kill profits, so in the interest of business the Minister was simply offering up some fairly standard advice.
That depends on what the taxes are spent on. My employer provides the same standard health care benefits in every jurisidction the company operates in worldwide. The plan costs nearly $1000/month for employees in some parts of the US, and around $80/month for employees in Canada.

Same benefits.

So, some of those taxes collected deduct from business expenses elsewhere. I think a similar claim can be made for taxes that pay for infrastructure business relies on, etc.
 

Don

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S.C. Joe said:
Gee thought this place would be going nuts about Mr. Harper saying he never nothing about a bribe but then is hear on tape talking about it.
can't say it I really care too much about it

Then again I did vote Liberal even after the sponsorship scandal so I guess it is little surprise.
 

SilentLeviathan

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Consdering they ran pn a platform of "cleaning up" this should be upsetting to a lot of people.

As for who underwrote the policy, I assume it was either the Consefrvative Party or some insurance company who wanted to gain favour with the Conservatives.
 

nervous

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danmand said:
It is surprising to me that a federal finance minister would caution investors
against starting businesses in Ontario.

Is the current government not a government for all of Canada?
Giving good financial advice to McSuint is being the government for all of Canada. Since Ontario is among the highest taxed for business, maybe they need a wake up call.

Do you really think that this was news to business...or just a wake up call to the average citizen.
 

fuji

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I don't actually even think that it's true. As I mentioned above, before you cay say that taxes are bad for business you have to look at what they are spent on. Much of what Ontario spends tax dollars on directly lowers costs to business.

That makes Ontario _net_ a better place to invest than most of the rest of Canada.

The federal finance minister seems to be an idiot and on several occasions has made statements that fly in the face of basic economics. He screwed up the finances of Ontario when he was in power and now he's screwing up Canada's finances.

And I say that as someone who is generally fiscally conservative. I simply wish he were a bit more competent.
 
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