What is the scam

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Dodger

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Ok so I list my vehicle in Auto Trader looking for a bit of a return to invest in the new vehicle which has been ordered. So I figure out a decent yet a bit high price to start at. The ad goes in last Thursday and I get no bites until today when I get an e-mail from Autobytel UK.

First alarm is that it is off shore and the english that has been typed is slightly off, seems almost possible french based and the message is signed Sebastein. Any way he is requesting more pictures and price. Well the AT ad has price and picture as well as contact info ie phone (cell) and e-mail.

I quote the price in the ad but advise that I am negotiable, and that I have no other pictures at this time. His response is quick and he has no problem with the price, which by the way is about 1500 - 2000 high, he then asks for address and phone number so that he can arrange the wire transfer. More alarms going off.

I figure it sounds like a scam so I politely decline saying that I would prefer that a person come and look at the vehicle then provide a certified cheque drawn on a Cdn bank.

Again his response is quick and assures me that the funds would come from a Cdn bank and that a person who arranges the transportation by ship would be the one to inspect the vehicle and if they are satified they would issue the funds to me.

So I am still 99.9% sure this is a scam. Has anyone else had a dealing like this and if not where do you figure the scam comes in with the funds that do not come through or some other form of identity type of theft. There is no way that I would ever give out banking info so they have no access to that, and if someone was to want to see the vehicle I would likely arrange it too happen at work rather than home.

Any ideas here ladies and fellows
 
Wise thing not to give them any banking details.

If it sounds to good to be true, then....
 
I heard of a scam like this before... guy says he's sent you the money, you check with the bank, they say money has been wired to your account. You give the guy the car. You notice there's no longer money in your account. You aske the bank what's up. Bank says the money's not permanently in your account til it's 100% been processed by the sender's bank, and that it was cancelled at the last second... and didn't you know that? You say Oh Fuck, and call the cops. They find your car... but the scammer has already sold it for half what it's worth to an unsuspecting schmuck. Scammer walks away with half the value of your car, cash.
 
clowny said:
I heard of a scam like this before... guy says he's sent you the money, you check with the bank, they say money has been wired to your account. You give the guy the car. You notice there's no longer money in your account. You aske the bank what's up. Bank says the money's not permanently in your account til it's 100% been processed by the sender's bank, and that it was cancelled at the last second... and didn't you know that? You say Oh Fuck, and call the cops. They find your car... but the scammer has already sold it for half what it's worth to an unsuspecting schmuck. Scammer walks away with half the value of your car, cash.
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That is the sort of spin I thought it had. International banking is something that I have been involved with before and there is usually a lot of prep work that goes into the transfer. It is a protection for both sides of the deal when it is done correctly.

Thanks Clowny
 
KWI said:
I wonder how many ladies reading this are saying "Now you know how we feel, lol"

KWI
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I love this hobby but I am strictly sticking with me doing ******* rather than the other way around LOL
 
Think of it this way - what would a guy in the UK want with a Canadian car? The driver's seat is on the wrong side.

OK -there could be some reasons why a guy from the UK would want a car this way, but on the balance of probabilities, it seems more fishy than legitimate.
 
The other side of the scam

Which is very common is that he will tell you he's had a mix up but that he had a buyer owe him money and and its for $3,000 more than you are selling for. He asks you to cash the buyers cheque and send him the difference cause he trusts you.

You lose your car and extra money.

I read about this on Craigslist...go figure...something good over there...j/k
 
TheNiteHwk said:
Tell him sorry you sold the car. Tell him if he wants he can call the new owner. Give him the number for the Fraud Squad. :D
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Now there is a plan that I can get behind. Thanks TNH
 
gilligan said:
don't accept wires. Accept only certified cheques or money orders from a Canadian bank, have the funds verified by the issuing branch and then release the car.
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What he said, but never accept certified cheques in this situation. They are easily forged.
 
gilligan said:
don't accept wires. Accept only certified cheques or money orders from a Canadian bank, have the funds verified by the issuing branch and then release the car.
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Tell him you will release the car as soon as the funds clear. I use to accept money orders but I got scammed once (in the begining). The money order came in I deposited it. It was all good. The guy cancelled and wanted a refund.....this was the scam.

Just as I suspected the money order came back as counterfeit...the bank in which it was written could not tell the difference between the real and the fake...only way was the verification of funds.

I have heard of a couple people that use the Auto Ttrader, that this scam has been tried on.
 
The scam is that the guy will give you more money than you asked for. I havent heard of this with a wire transer but instead with a money order from a bank or post office. If the agreed upon price is $2000, they will send you a money order for $4000. They will tell you that the bank screwed up and that for your trouble he will let you keep a small amount of money. He will tell you to wire transer or send him a money order for $1800 (you get to keep $200).

It then turns out that the original money order was bogus and your out the $1800 you sent him. You might also be risking legal problems... in the US people have been charged as unknowing accesories for depositing a bogus money order.

Dodger said:
Ok so I list my vehicle in Auto Trader looking for a bit of a return to invest in the new vehicle which has been ordered. So I figure out a decent yet a bit high price to start at. The ad goes in last Thursday and I get no bites until today when I get an e-mail from Autobytel UK.

First alarm is that it is off shore and the english that has been typed is slightly off, seems almost possible french based and the message is signed Sebastein. Any way he is requesting more pictures and price. Well the AT ad has price and picture as well as contact info ie phone (cell) and e-mail.

I quote the price in the ad but advise that I am negotiable, and that I have no other pictures at this time. His response is quick and he has no problem with the price, which by the way is about 1500 - 2000 high, he then asks for address and phone number so that he can arrange the wire transfer. More alarms going off.

I figure it sounds like a scam so I politely decline saying that I would prefer that a person come and look at the vehicle then provide a certified cheque drawn on a Cdn bank.

Again his response is quick and assures me that the funds would come from a Cdn bank and that a person who arranges the transportation by ship would be the one to inspect the vehicle and if they are satified they would issue the funds to me.

So I am still 99.9% sure this is a scam. Has anyone else had a dealing like this and if not where do you figure the scam comes in with the funds that do not come through or some other form of identity type of theft. There is no way that I would ever give out banking info so they have no access to that, and if someone was to want to see the vehicle I would likely arrange it too happen at work rather than home.

Any ideas here ladies and fellows
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http://www.419eater.com/

this scam is been around for years, and they pick off email addresses from ads, etc. Now that you mentioned this I noticed that for the past couple of months I haven't gotten any of these scam emails. Maybe they couldn't get too many escorts to bite cause I use to get them all the time. These guys target everyone tough, don't bother with it.
 
Here is the latest update.

After hearing nothing more from this dude I get this message today. The ad has been down for over a week now and I guess he figures that I am still interested. I never said anything to him to suggest that I was interested. I have not and I do not plan on responding to this either.

Hello,
i was notified by my client who mailed the payment for the purchase, that the check left the british shore last week friday. The reason it has not been delivered by now would be from the slow delivery services of the courier company. I have already confirm the sending of the payment, delivery should be done in a very short while.
When i receive a precise date, i will let you know.
 
I would jerk his chain. By no mean give out any legite information...

But perhaps send out a number that looks real. Find out from your bank a certain number etc..and learn a little about money transfer. Send him some bogus info...As if you are into this..then let him get the ball rolling...He will find out soon enough there is a problem...but as he thinks he has you on the hook...he will continue..........

THIS IS A TOTAL SCAM.

I watched something simliar on Ebay where a guy ordered a laptop, but was trying the flim flam..where he would get the laptop in his hands....but the money never all gets transferred. Wish I had the clip. You could play it the same way. A reverese FLIM FLAM....Anyhow, these guys got the foreigner to somehow send some sort of deposit.....And they mailed him a box of newspapers. it all came togather....The scammer lost like 300 Euros in deposit... and the newspapers safely made it over the ocean...he was pissed. Anyhow the seller had a few bucks and held onto his laptop. VERY FUNNY


Try to yank his chain Bud..NEVER NEVER release anything..ITS A SCAM....
 
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