What is your responsibility if the MPA you are having sex with becomes pregnant? What happened to me is the condom broke, we didn't notice until it was over, she freaked as did I, she told me she isn't using any other type of birth control, so now I wonder if she is prego where do I stand?
What happens if?
- Thread starter Varmitt
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IMHO & Without Prejudice
Morally I think if it's your kid, you should fess up and be supportive. On the other hand, this lady should know damn well that shit happens and therefore, given her occupation, should have taken further precautions (i.e. birth control pills). At the very least, she should have popped a "day after" pill.
Given that situation, I don't think you should be on the hook for the full 100% of support payments. Perhaps 50% as a compromise though.
IMHO.
Morally I think if it's your kid, you should fess up and be supportive. On the other hand, this lady should know damn well that shit happens and therefore, given her occupation, should have taken further precautions (i.e. birth control pills). At the very least, she should have popped a "day after" pill.
Given that situation, I don't think you should be on the hook for the full 100% of support payments. Perhaps 50% as a compromise though.
IMHO.
You had sex with an MPA? I didn't think that happened.Varmitt said:
Unfortunately you are supposedly both mature adults and should be aware of the potential for this to happen. The fact that she doesn't take any other form of contraception and seemingly was unaware of newer alternatives is a little concerning given her line of work, but it does not change your responsibility in the matter.
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The child is not responsible for what the mother was doing.
I think your best chance if hit with support is to sue the massage parlour.
Remember the child support is for the benefit of the child, not the mother.Sukdeep said:
The child is not responsible for what the mother was doing.
I think your best chance if hit with support is to sue the massage parlour.
Just being devils advocate here...but what part does it play that you were paying her to perform this act and that her supplied equipment failed to perform? This is clearly a failure to perform part of a contractual obligation under law.
This is just to provoke discussion.....
This is just to provoke discussion.....
It could be argued that by using the condom she was taking reasonable precautions. I agree that it is irresponsible for someone in this business not do whatever they can to protect themselves. Your point about "acting outside of her capacity" could come into play in a number of ways...if you believe that sexual intercourse is not common practice at an MP, then additional contraception for the MPA might be viewed as unnecessary.
So is the onus on who supplied the rubber?
Can the condom-maker be sued for failure or is it not guaranteed if all instructions on use were followed correctly?thundergod said:
The condom maker will undoubtedly be protected by numerous disclosures printed on the packaging claiming that use of condoms is not a 100% guarantee against unwanted pregnancy nor STDs. I doubt you'd get far with that one.
To Thundergod's point of failure to perform part of a contractual obligation, I wonder how enforceable that would be. There's never any written contract nor any verbal one for that matter. It's just "understood" that money exchanged is for time only and whatever happens is between 2 consenting adults. I can't seem to think of any other situation whereby a party pays for services and never has to sign for it. Even in cases where you don't necessarily sign (purchasing tickets to an event with cash) you still get the ticket itself which grants you admission to a venue subject to the conditions printed on the back.
To Thundergod's point of failure to perform part of a contractual obligation, I wonder how enforceable that would be. There's never any written contract nor any verbal one for that matter. It's just "understood" that money exchanged is for time only and whatever happens is between 2 consenting adults. I can't seem to think of any other situation whereby a party pays for services and never has to sign for it. Even in cases where you don't necessarily sign (purchasing tickets to an event with cash) you still get the ticket itself which grants you admission to a venue subject to the conditions printed on the back.
You're a natural, you did that seemlessly and without much effort. You should thingk about a career in politics.Sukdeep said:
What a sad tale this is. First, ask yourself if this MPA is really pregnant. Once you are able to confirm that she infact is, the other fact that requires confirmation is IF infact you are the one that fathered this child. You would only be able to confirm this with a paternity test (once the child is born). Discuss options. Weather to terminate the pregnancy, give up the child for adoption or, child support arrangements, ect.. Make sure if you pay any funds to the MPA, keep detailed records. Write up an agreement (through a lawyer) laying out what is expected of both parties. At least this way, everyone is protected. If you find out, later, that the child is not your's, you have recourse to get any money paid out back. Good luck to all parties concerned...
Re: WTF???
As others have pointed out, the person who truly loses in this mess is the kid. All reasonable steps should be taken to protect the child (if there is one) from the ravages of society. If that means support payments, so be it.
Not at all. Like Sukdeep I'm merely implying that the degree of liability may be somewhat mitigated by the circumstances. I am in no way trying to promote the argument that payment is completely unnecessary; I'm only arguing the amount of payment given the circumstances. Clearly in this situation, both parties bear a responsibility to the overall situation.Anya said:
As others have pointed out, the person who truly loses in this mess is the kid. All reasonable steps should be taken to protect the child (if there is one) from the ravages of society. If that means support payments, so be it.
thats called loco in parentis (spelling ?) latin term for standing in for the parent.bbking said:
like a step father for someone else's kid. There have been cases where a mother is getting child support from the step-father and the biological father.
Sukdeep...you're being ridiculous. Watching Law and Order is not the same as having knowledge of the law.
DW
DW
Not trying to be petty...
If you engage in sex with a girl at a massage parlor, you are breaking the law. If you are unlucky enough to knock up an MP worker, first you find out if the kid is yours and then you deal with it. Pursuing a bunch of legal action and bringing attention to how and where you had the sex would be to open a hornet's nest. It's like the junkie going to the cops because someone stole his drugs.
You can't legally have sex at an MP....why do you think that specifics are not allowed when discussing extras on this board? I was not trying to be petty with my remarks, but a man would have to be a fool to argue that he shouldn't have to pay child support to a sex worker because she should understand the risks involved in her job. That baby didn't ask to be conceived under such circumstances.
DW
If you engage in sex with a girl at a massage parlor, you are breaking the law. If you are unlucky enough to knock up an MP worker, first you find out if the kid is yours and then you deal with it. Pursuing a bunch of legal action and bringing attention to how and where you had the sex would be to open a hornet's nest. It's like the junkie going to the cops because someone stole his drugs.
You can't legally have sex at an MP....why do you think that specifics are not allowed when discussing extras on this board? I was not trying to be petty with my remarks, but a man would have to be a fool to argue that he shouldn't have to pay child support to a sex worker because she should understand the risks involved in her job. That baby didn't ask to be conceived under such circumstances.
DW
Furthermore, it doesn't surprise me that you hold several degrees, etc. Most of us around here are educated. That's irrelevant to the silly nature of the "what if's" you were throwing out.
