What does GFE & PSE MA mean to you?

[CMJ]

There is a fabulous thread that has begun on the other board about what exactly a GFE MA means.

Why its so interesting is because these terms have previously only applied to the escort realm, not the massage scene - I know that many MA's are referring to themselves now as GFE massueses and clients are confused and almost feel mislead by the term being thrown around and used so loosley (no pun intended).

Hobbiests: I would like to know what the term means to you and what you expect from a provider that uses the terms GFE MA and now PSE MA

Providers, both MA's and SP: I would like to know what you think it means and what you offer your clients that you consider GFE and PSE

 

[Hector17]

Having been a hobbiest that started with massage, and having no intention of going the SP route, it is my experience that the GFE MA for me is the firstly the interaction with the lady ...eye contact, friendly conversation, fully nude, some familiar touching, that may even include some kissing early in. There is definitely kissing in MY definition when things get going after the flip, so if the MA doesn't want to, or doesn't kiss, then I feel she's not a GFE Ma. The contact ie body slides is part of the massage, and mutual touching .
I started early on with the Asian style and there was no disrobing, no touching etc, and I started to branch out when I found these Boards/Forums and all the options I had.
That is when I saw the GFE advertising and I really enjoyed the upgrade where we kissed, had mutual touching, bodyslides, showering together and having a rapport build up with a lady over a few sessions and onward. In practically all cases the the finish is HJ, although yes, there are some pleasant surprises along the way...but those are unexpected, and a treat...not what I consider to be advertised as included by every lady for every customer in their "GFE" service.
I have no idea what a PSE MA would be, as that would confuse this topic further as for me FS would then be expected and there are Indie MAs' that offer FS endings, and I've enjoyed them too.
As you may have guessed, I broke my "rule" and did venture into the SP side so I know who I like to call and have GFE FS.
For the most part I see this topic as being obfuscation by some guys trying to fit a square peg in a round hole to get FS at Massage prices, which is not my thing. I guess there are some fellows getting some extra, (even me at times) "extras" , and good for them, but that is behind closed doors and between 2 consenting adults and perhaps only on that particular session.
I dont think it would be fair to all MAs who advertise GFE services that the definition is determined by the sessions that do include the most broadest services by the few that may offer some clients a varied service like that.
In short, I guess what I am saying is that I dont really want to touch a lady in ways and places where she really doesn't want to be touched, but that she feels is an obligation for her to fly under the GFE banner.
The GFE Ma for me though, must be one who likes kissing me as that ramps up the feeling and intimacy, and opens the door to exploration of just how far the "experience" may go with mutual enjoyment of the extras.
If that includes on some occasions DATY, a BBBJ finish vs HJ, prostate massage, digits, then so what.
What I have no use for is a stop in the action while new pricing is discussed on a per extra basis. If it's not included from the beginning at the pricing discussed, then I am not likely to agree, but (lol) I have broken that rule once too.

 

[GlavaMan]

IMO an MA that offers PSE is an SP calling herself an MA.

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

I've never liked the acronyms as applied to the escorting end so using them in a massage setting is absurd to me. I've always offered extraordinarily intimate service and my guests energy dictates the intensity of the play. Putting letters to dictate how a session will roll out is unnecessary for me. I now offer both SP and MA services with the dividing line being MA is a manual release. If a client wants more, he can book a FS visit and have a full massage as part of the session in my studio. In a massage setting, a quality client may receive extras like kissing or more; but the provider has the ultimate choice in whether or not to offer the service to him individually. I believe all providers should offer an experience that leaves their clients feeling like they have just spent time with a girlfriend whether there is an exchange of saliva or not. If they don't, it indicates to me that they aren't professional...

cat

 

[birddogs]

Not quite sure I'd characterize the other thread as fabulous, but it is a good topic.

One of the things that's good and bad about massage is that service expectations are blurred. It's frustrating because there's so much variability in how the MA acts and what happens. But on the other hand (no pun intended!), the vagueness allows MA's to respond more freely with what they do/do not want to do and be more sensually giving/genuine. Sometimes this can mean more mileage, but usually it's a feeling, an authentic experience, that makes it special. I've had some massage sessions (high and low mileage) that were just electric because of this and it's the main reason why I don't bother with escorts.

Labels can be good for setting expectations but if they're too explicit something may be lost. Also, lots of girls throw them out there as a way to attract business without really understanding what they mean and what clients expect. If I were to describe GFE MA it would be: a mutually enjoyable sensual experience with lots of 2-way touching, interaction, LFK and a HJ/ italian/russian release (i.e. far removed from a formulaic "massage, body slide, flip & release" session). Not familiar with PSE MA but maybe something like: GFE with more intensity, some fetish/fantasy play, DATY and maybe BJ finish.

The key for providers is less the label and more that they know what they want to provide and are honest with clients (including and especially ymmv). Jessica is a good example of someone who's clear about the experience she offers, consistently delivers, and is very successful. Further, the more MA's realize it's not about mileage (imho) but being truly sensual and authentic (in their promotion and service) the better they will do.

 

[endan]

If a basic massage at a MP is when you get a massage, then a flip with a few options, then a GFE massage is when you are welcomed, hugged/kissed, undress and shower together, have a massage with lots of mutual contact and a long slow ending, followed by another shower, perhaps together. The MP has to enjoy it or at least make is seem like she is enjoying as well.

There is a BIG difference! There are a few MP providers that I wish would go into the GFE MP business. A good looking woman who has a nice location can charge a mint with this service.

 

[Ryan1967]

...because the original term GFE very specifically meant both blowjobs and intercourse. Some guys wanted BJ's (and specifically BBBJ's) included alongside standard intercourse when visiting escorts, because they were finding they couldn't get excited just with intercourse alone. Then as the GFE term became popular, it started to get overused and diluted, so the PSE term was coined to take over where the GFE term used to be. Now PSE is getting diluted too.

Now, one thing that really annoys me is the attempt to redefine GFE/PSE as simply "a feeling, an attitude, an enthusiasm, etc.", i.e. to completely avoid assigning any particular physical actions to it. But GFE was originally coined as a shorthand for other physical actions, such as blowjobs and intercourse. How would you feel if somebody attempted to redefine a blowjob as "an enthusiastic handjob"? Or if intercourse were redefined as "a blowjob with loving looks"?

I would suggest to the utmost to indy MA's or spas to completely avoid using these terms when describing their services -- unless they are truly offering blowjobs or intercourse during the massage, which I doubt they are.

I'm not convinced that is how the term GFE came about...I am no expert in SP history, but I was under the distinct impression that it was coined for multiple actions that made the experience "girlfriend like". Specifically kissing (LFK or DFK), DATY and yes, BBBJ. I think the key element is kissing...I have hobbied in Amsterdam and you get a CBJ and CFS (standard service), no kissing, no below the belt touching (digits or otherwise) and certainly no daty...no one would ever call those experiences GFE.

That said, I agree that relating GFE to an MA session is a bit ridiculous, PSE even more so. Again, that is my opinion...

 

[Ryan1967]

Our friend Wikipedia thinks it is primarily based on kissing and cuddling...but does not provide any real historical etymology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience

 

[CMJ]

At CMJ we have always prided ourselves in a genuine experience. The connection is real - with that being said, you wont connect with everyone - lfk and gfe in MA terms is based purely on chemistry between you and the hostess.

What errs me, is how the term gfe is being thrown around and applied without discretion. I find that kind of gross? - you dont want to be with a hostess who has been shoving her tongue down 5 other guys throats before you?

if the connection and chemistry is real, kissing and reciporcal touching etc is fabulous. However, its not forced or fake at CMJ

 

[OnTheWayOut]

- you dont want to be with a hostess who has been shoving her tongue down 5 other guys throats before you?

you know my limit is 3 LOL

 

[too2shy]

you know my limit is 3 LOL

I always try to book a sps first appt, got tired of worrying about slurps spooge on their lips.

I'd do MPs more often if daty, bbbj, were on the menu. I guess that falls into PSE? Just super paro about being in a place that offers this and is known to. Does that mean I'm looking for a indy provider.. Guess so?

 

[nerdnerd]

I have no idea what a PSE MA would be, as that would confuse this topic further as for me FS would then be expected and there are Indie MAs' that offer FS endings, and I've enjoyed them too.
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What I have no use for is a stop in the action while new pricing is discussed on a per extra basis.

+1000.
Never heard of PSE MA. No idea what it would mean.

Tied up, multiple forced orgasm bondassage... sure. But I don't see how that's "Porn Star".

 

[mrclean]

Thanks to the ladies who contributed to this thread.

I think GFE MA and PSE MA is dilberately deceptive/misleading when not spelled out OR is an indication that SP services are available for an extra fee. If the latter then they are looking for potential trouble from LE so I would avoid that establishment. I'm not against the ability to get extras but I don't think SP services should be adverstised for MPs.

However, GFE MA in which the service is clearly stated, for example includes kissing and mutual massage then I think its fine. There could be debate on whether or not it fits some definition of "GFE" but a clear statement of the services lets the client know what to expect.

At CMJ we have always prided ourselves in a genuine experience. The connection is real - with that being said, you wont connect with everyone - lfk and gfe in MA terms is based purely on chemistry between you and the hostess.

Good to know. Potential CMJ clients know what to expect. Existing clients obviously know what to expect.

What errs me, is how the term gfe is being thrown around and applied without discretion. I find that kind of gross? - you dont want to be with a hostess who has been shoving her tongue down 5 other guys throats before you?

I think you are making 2 points here. First one is about GFE being thrown around and applied withouth discretion. Agree when service not stated. However when clearly stated, for example I believe JessicaMassage made it clear in her TERB ads what to expect, its fine.

Second point about "shoving tongue down 5 other guys throats before you" as gross. Well clearly that's your opinion. If someone uses SP services the same thing happens so I see no difference. If a MA advertises kissing as part of GFE MA services then the clients know what to expect. If a client finds it as disgusting as you seem to then then can simply avoid kissing the MA.


I had not noticed a trend of GFE MA and PSE MA being advertised. If there is a trend then this discussion is helpful although I think most of the points have been discussed. If there is no trend I see no reason to continue the the discussion.

Cheers,
Mr Clean

 

[igotaboner]

I think the GFE or PSE designation for MAs or MPs is stupid. GFE to me is what I would expect from a girlfriend with the exception of her sticking around to bitch about me leaving the toilet seat up. For me a girlfriend is about kissing and cuddling, blowing my bare cock and letting me eat her bare pussy. Then we have a long fuck session (covered in the case of an SP but not so for a real GF) in multiple positions and end up cuddling and talking. That in no way coincidences with getting rubbed with oil on a skinny little bed and a hand release...no matter how nicely she talks or smiles.
PSE to me is a step beyond...with some wild nasty stuff thrown in. Ass licking and fucking, prostate rub, come on face or body or butt....her licking all the come up and blowing bubbles or some such shit....how can this even be mentioned by an MP/MA as par to the experience when clearly it's not on the menu.

 

[curiousm7]

Quite frankly, I have not taken the MA plunge due to the very fact that the GFE advertising makes no sense to me. If GFE truly means a connection that could possibly lead to a lot more fun...without a stop to talk about extra $$ then I would be all-in but, from speaking to other members, the GFE gets thrown around too much and usually just a hand finish after lots of sensual touching...no thanks...definitely not what I would expect from a GF and I would certainly expect a hell of a lot more from a PS experience...whether it be MA or SP.

 

[curiousm7]

Just not sure what to do here...I am tempted to go see Vitto at VIP but, I know I am capable of jerking myself off so I don't see why I would spend a couple hundred bucks getting someone to do it for me...any MA regulars who want to chime in, feel free to PM me.

Although I agree mostly about this sentiment that MA's should not be using the terms GFE or PSE, in many cases I have seen more passion from MA's like Luscious Lilly than I have from several SP's put together. I leave much more satisfied after a session with LL than I would from most escorts.

 

[MrJake]

I've never liked the acronyms as applied to the escorting end so using them in a massage setting is absurd to me. I've always offered extraordinarily intimate service and my guests energy dictates the intensity of the play. Putting letters to dictate how a session will roll out is unnecessary for me. I now offer both SP and MA services with the dividing line being MA is a manual release. If a client wants more, he can book a FS visit and have a full massage as part of the session in my studio. In a massage setting, a quality client may receive extras like kissing or more; but the provider has the ultimate choice in whether or not to offer the service to him individually. I believe all providers should offer an experience that leaves their clients feeling like they have just spent time with a girlfriend whether there is an exchange of saliva or not. If they don't, it indicates to me that they aren't professional...

cat

In the end we're talking about a business transaction and I see nothing wrong with knowing what service you will and will not receive going into the session. Of course the lady can always use her discretion during a session but I for one want to know what to expect once I pay.

 

[curiousm7]

Agreed! And this is one of the reasons I hate the acronyms GFE and PSE, regardless of MA or SP. They are subjective and open to interpretation. Phrases like "open-minded" are just as bad.

In the end we're talking about a business transaction and I see nothing wrong with knowing what service you will and will not receive going into the session. Of course the lady can always use her discretion during a session but I for one want to know what to expect once I pay.

 

[Hector17]

I know what you mean, and agree...While I might not say "more" satisfied, it is a different kind of intensity that I feel with my sessions with Jessica



Quote:Just not sure what to do here...I am tempted to go see Vitto at VIP but, I know I am capable of jerking myself off so I don't see why I would spend a couple hundred bucks getting someone to do it for me...any MA regulars who want to chime in, feel free to PM me.

I have seen Vitto too, and she is very sexy, but I think it may be best for you, Curiousm7, to just stick with SP/ FS though if you have this feeling about GFE MAs....many advertise though that they will give you a massage and FS...eg try Naughtie/Vienna. I am, I think, lucky, as I can very much enjoy both for what they are. That being said, I can also relate as if I was in the mood for FS, I'd see one of my SP faves

 

[ladez1st]

I'm quite familiar with (and sick of) the GFE MA discussion on the other board. As for PSE MA, that's a new one to me too. Can't imagine what that would mean in a massage context or why you would even want such an experience. Sounds like a form of sexual deprivation… so maybe things like BDSM would also be of interest.