What do you think will be the future of dating and relationships in the West(US/CA/UK?

[basketcase]

Dating in western society hasn't really changed too much in the past 600 years so I doubt a bunch of desperate 'mans activists' will change much.

 

[Jasmina]

There is so much crazy in there I don't even know how to unpack it.

Comparing heels to battle? You DO know there are a lot of females in the armed forces, right?

And fishing boats, and in mines, hell, I know many female welders that could do things that 50 years ago they swore only men could do. You know female sports teams are a thing now too, right?

Come out of your cave and join the real world. It's not that bad.

No I haven't spent 8 hours any day, or even 5 mins anytime in heels.

Eye candy is kinda what SP's here strive for, at least in part, isn't it? You make a living based on how good that look goes for. If you decide to use heels or wear less fabric. Your option really.

On the other hand, how many hours a day do you go to work in the mines, fishing boats or the battle field. Those workplaces don't have risk averse options. They are pretty well all male dominated if not 100% male only, and have significant health (really life or death) consequences.

So you might think a bit about saying women are the only group who is objectified for your physicality. It's true wearing heels (and more importantly carrying babies) can cause health issues like long term back pain, but don't dream of crossing to the other side of that fence, it isn't even quite as pretty there.

 

[Dcoat]

There is so much crazy in there I don't even know how to unpack it.

Comparing heels to battle? You DO know there are a lot of females in the armed forces, right?

And fishing boats, and in mines, hell, I know many female welders that could do things that 50 years ago they swore only men could do. You know female sports teams are a thing now too, right?

Come out of your cave and join the real world. It's not that bad.

I love the world, I'm living in it.

You know the women in the armed forces are really support workers, not on the front lines, right? There are about 250 women out of 14,000 (2%) front line fighters. I won't go into how they're used in battle, I'll just leave it at the bare numbers.

As first responders, out of the 343 first responders who ran into the twin towers and didn't come out, 4 were women.

Not that it's not their choice, but men do have far more, way more, upper body strength, you do know that? It's kind of why men aren't welcome in women sports, the worst male althletes would cream the best female athletes. It's not a put down, it's biology.

The risk levels are like the difference between seeing the battle and being the battle.

Yeah, women welders are great, but who puts the welded pipes and oil drills into the ground? Not the skilled welders, the strong men (I mean men).

So come into the world, see how the world is put together not how you'd like it to be put together.

Reality is a cool place to live.

BTW, as a woman, you don't have to judge yourself based on male standards. You're capable of great things.... as the amazing woman you are.

 

[y2kmark]

Women are huge fans of me being able to backsplash their tiles.

If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy....

 

[y2kmark]

Have you spent 8 hours 5 days a week in heels? What's the point? There is no benefit other than being eye candy. But there is a ton of detrimental health affects for women.

High heels suck and then you dye. The "real woman" determination is best made without the interference of shoes and other articles of attire, including jewelry. Keeps the transphobes at bay as well....

 

[Jenesis]

You make many good points.

Eastern women were what the OP was pointing to.

Eastern women wouldn't say what you said at all.

They have never stopped tiling, plumbing, trash collecting, and running the office. It's their assumed lifestyle. On top of which, they wear the heals, make the tomato sauce and, yup, even there they carry the babies.

So what do women need men for you ask?

Ah, it's still men who go to battle, dig in the mines, build the cities, and sire those babies.

And at the end their day, the men still put the kids to bed and worry about what will happen to their family if they don't make it home the next day because they've died in their workplace.

This isn't meant to disparage you, you deserve recognition for the things you've done on your own. So congratulations (although you probably don't even need to hear that).

It's just not something the vast majority of western women would even contemplate let alone do or acknowledge having done.

You misunderstood my tongue in cheek posting, but I will give some more context to the general opinion if that helps

My point was that men here in the west want women to be “feminine” and yet they want them to do more “ masculine “ things at the same time. This is totally gender bias based on what was men and women back in the day. I realize this.

They want to keep all that we use to be and then still expect us to do more so they can do less.

They want women to start paying their way or their share. Ok. I get that. They want women to work to contribute to the household. Ok I get that. They want women to still care for the house and kids, I even get that.

What I don’t get it why men get to lose who they were and yet we are not suppose to.

Men were the bread winners, chivalry was alive and well back then and yet these are things men don’t believe they have to do now. We women can do them.

So if men wanted women to do more, why should men expect women to also, at the same time, keep their caretaking and what men considered feminine things back in the day.

Why should a woman get the kids ready for school, make breakfast and lunches for everyone, then go off to an 8 hour shift, come home to clean house, do laundry, make dinner and then fuck her husband? And all while wearing heels I might add

Have you worn heels? Do you know how much they hurt after walking him for hours?

Why can’t a woman where sensible shoes while doing all that? Without being labeled as non-feminine?

Do you see the insult there? Men can stop being who they use to be and yet women take on so much more and yet are told they have lost their femininity when it is indeed men who want us to do more.

I personally think men and women can live without the opposite sex. Both are functioning human beings.

And men need women for procreation just like women do. I know this. But even this we get penalized for. Because we can’t work during that time, we lose. We lose on job experienceand time. Because we have to carry them.

It is not easy being a western woman. With all the expectations. And now because we want to at least where sensible shoes while doing all this we are told we have lost our femininity. Not really fair, now is it.

PS - let the record show that I like heels. I have no issue with them personally. Just so the record is clear. LOL

Also note - I always give thanks to the men AND women who die in the work place. I acknowledge it every year and post a thread on the National Day of Mourning.

So you might think a bit about saying women are the only group who is objectified for your physicality. It's true wearing heels (and more importantly carrying babies) can cause health issues like long term back pain, but don't dream of crossing to the other side of that fence, it isn't even quite as pretty there.

You might want to look up the fatality rate for carrying children.

Let me do it for you. In Canada 7.3 per 100K live births. Might seem like a low number but death is much worse then simple back pain. Just saying.

 

[Dcoat]

You misunderstood my tongue in cheek posting, but I will give some more context to the general opinion if that helps

My point was that men here in the west want women to be “feminine” and yet they want them to do more “ masculine “ things at the same time. This is totally gender bias based on what was men and women back in the day. I realize this.

They want to keep all that we use to be and then still expect us to do more so they can do less.

They want women to start paying their way or their share. Ok. I get that. They want women to work to contribute to the household. Ok I get that. They want women to still care for the house and kids, I even get that.

What I don’t get it why men get to lose who they were and yet we are not suppose to.

Men were the bread winners, chivalry was alive and well back then and yet these are things men don’t believe they have to do now. We women can do them.

So if men wanted women to do more, why should men expect women to also, at the same time, keep their caretaking and what men considered feminine things back in the day.

Why should a woman get the kids ready for school, make breakfast and lunches for everyone, then go off to an 8 hour shift, come home to clean house, do laundry, make dinner and then fuck her husband? And all while wearing heels I might add

Have you worn heels? Do you know how much they hurt after walking him for hours?

Why can’t a woman where sensible shoes while doing all that? Without being labeled as non-feminine?

Do you see the insult there? Men can stop being who they use to be and yet women take on so much more and yet are told they have lost their femininity when it is indeed men who want us to do more.

I personally think men and women can live without the opposite sex. Both are functioning human beings.

And men need women for procreation just like women do. I know this. But even this we get penalized for. Because we can’t work during that time, we lose. We lose on job experienceand time. Because we have to carry them.

It is not easy being a western woman. With all the expectations. And now because we want to at least where sensible shoes while doing all this we are told we have lost our femininity. Not really fair, now is it.

PS - let the record show that I like heels. I have no issue with them personally. Just so the record is clear. LOL

Also note - I always give thanks to the men AND women who die in the work place. I acknowledge it every year and post a thread on the National Day of Mourning.



You might want to look up the fatality rate for carrying children.

Let me do it for you. In Canada 7.3 per 100K live births. Might seem like a low number but death is much worse then simple back pain. Just saying.

Thanks for the clarification.

There is a long conversation here that I won't expand now, with a couple of exceptions.

"Men" do not want feminism as it's configured today eg. women doing manly things. Most men do want women to have the option though. Nor do many women, BTW. The difference is that particular women should be able to craft their lives while doing work they are interested in AND capable of. You assume otherwise and come to conclusions that you shouldn't.

Chivalry worked well for almost everyone and women were much happier than they are today (as an aggregate) although the correlation is not clear. Clearly women want to do the relationship jobs, eg. healthcare, teaching, sex work, Human Resources. Caring for an intimate partner, the father of their children seems to be right up the same line. So those soft, feminine things that many men enjoy, are also enjoyable for many women.

I did recognize the possibility of death or other health related issues in pregnancy, I didn't make it clear enough.

 

[malata]

women who can't walk on heels turns me on

men, not so much