What are your thoughts on the 2 atomic bombs US used on Japan in WWII?

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Stalin had assembled an army of scums of Russia in
preparation for occupation of Hokkaido. Were it not for
the atomic bombs inhabitants of the northermost main
lsland would have wished they were never born. Japan
should be eternally grateful and thankful for what the
U.S. did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 

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They killed millions even without the bomb. The scary thing is to have rogue countries like North Korea, Iran, Pakistan having them.
 
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Largest terrorist attack in world history. Just as bad as what Hitler did to the jews. There was absolutely no reason to murder civilians the war was already over. The US could have dropped it on a military base and had the same result but they wanted Japanese blood, not unlike bin laden and hitler

What do you think of fire bombing of Tokyo prior to the
atomic bombing? Did it pass as terrorist attack?
 

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The Japanese were not Caucasian and had humiliated American pride with the Pearl Harbour and these two factors made it easier for the Americans to drop Atomic weapons on them. There were lots of Americans of Germany origin and dropping the nuclear bombs on Germany would have been a harder sell.

The U.S. did not drop nuclear bombs on Germany the same reason
Hitler did not do the same to Britain and Russia.
 

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On the one hand it was a dastardly war crime as neither city had any military function. However on the other if it wasn't used at all there's a very real chance two nations might try to fight a nuclear war which would be an unmitigated disaster for the planet. So I must begrudgingly admit it was probably for the best that they were dropped
 

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The U.S. did not drop nuclear bombs on Germany the same reason
Hitler did not do the same to Britain and Russia.
I think Germany surrendered prior to USA having a working bomb, as the Los Alamos test wasn't until July, 1945, and Germany surrendered in May, 1945. However, Dresden got fire bombed like Tokyo did and both had with similar death rates to the atomic bombings.
 
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Why is that more scary then the USA? They are the only ones that have used it and bomb other countries and kill innocent people daily.
I find the US more rational than those other countries even they used it first. The Nazis were working on it and Japan were their allies.
 

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I find the US more rational than those other countries even they used it first. The Nazis were working on it and Japan were their allies.
Who is trying to annex Canada, Greenland and Panama? Is it Iran or North Korea? How many countries has Iran bombed in the last 10 years vs the USA? How many for N. Korea or Pakistan? Your rationale is misplaced and you have been fear mongered. 👍
 

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Who is trying to annex Canada, Greenland and Panama? Is it Iran or North Korea? How many countries has Iran bombed in the last 10 years vs the USA? How many for N. Korea or Pakistan? Your rationale is misplaced and you have been fear mongered. 👍
None of the countries are perfect, I prefer to align with US, UK, France, Canada and Western countries while you like Russia, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan.
 

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None of the countries are perfect, I prefer to align with US, UK, France, Canada and Western countries while you like Russia, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan.
Its not a matter of aligment, its about sovereignty. Nukes are only there as a guarantor of sovereignty.
 

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The Japanese were sadistic and brutal occupiers of any country they conquered.

For many years the Chinese who either experienced, or learned second-hand about, the atrocities the Japanese committed as occupiers of much of China from 1937 to 1945, absolutely hated the Japanese.
 
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The Japanese were sadistic and brutal occupiers of any country they conquered.

For many years the Chinese who either experienced, or learned second-hand about, the atrocities the Japanese committed as occupiers of much of China from 1937 to 1945, absolutely hated the Japanese.
The Japanese in China were as horrific or more as Mengele in the concentration camps. Playing games by throwing babies in the air and bayonetting them, operating on people with no anesthesia to see how long they could do it before they died, injecting or gassing people to see how long it took them to die etc, etc. Many hideous "experiments" like the nazis did.
 

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The Japanese were sadistic and brutal occupiers of any country they conquered.

For many years the Chinese who either experienced, or learned second-hand about, the atrocities the Japanese committed as occupiers of much of China from 1937 to 1945, absolutely hated the Japanese.
Yes they were horrific, the Germans as well. Some members of my family grew up under Japanese occupation, and very little is said about it. My mum refused to buy Japanese cars until he owned a Renault Alliance, after that it was all Japanese. lol. I guess in her mind they were atoning by giving her a reliable car.
 

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i think they saved countless US lives.
 

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The Japanese were sadistic and brutal occupiers of any country they conquered.

For many years the Chinese who either experienced, or learned second-hand about, the atrocities the Japanese committed as occupiers of much of China from 1937 to 1945, absolutely hated the Japanese.
I know a Japanese lady whose grandmother and grandfather were stationed in Nanking as prison guards under the Imperial Japanese Army and she very is proud of them, laughs about it and ironically her last.two boyfriends were Mainland Chinese. In fact I have met other Japanese who feel that that the only thing wrong that the Japanese did was to lose WW2.
Shinzo Abe introduced very strict revisionist history which doesn’t mention much about Japanese history from 1895 to 1945.
The Japanese pysche remains heavily scarred to this day by the way that they had to surrender and lose WW2 by nuclear destruction and it is not lost on Japan that they remain the only nation to have been bombed by nuclear weapons.

The Koreans also suffered heavily with gruesome brutality under the Japanese after the annexation of the Korean Peninsula in 1910 until 1945 and the legacy in part is the North and South Korea armistice to this day. The destruction of Korea by Japan help to encourage the conditions that led up to the Korea War in 1953 . N. Korea is the ultimate Cold War relic, more so than Cuba and Japan today could have been the same if Stalin had his way .

And the Kim Dynasty has developed nuclear weapons for their survival realizing that it would deter an American invasion which is not lost on Iran. Iran will soon have enough weapons grade Uranium to make their own nuclear weapons.
In fact, Iran probably already has nuclear weapons capability which is known by Israel and America so that the current talks between Trump and Iran are maybe somewhat of a farce. An Iran with open nuclear weapons capability is a significant nonstarter towards Middle East and world stability. China and Russia have unofficial welcomed Iran to the nuclear club .
 
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Wasn`t there talk that Japan wanted surrender talks before the first bomb was dropped? America obviously wanted payback for Pearl and to let the Russians know what they had to slow or stop expansion. Nazi Germany was luckily not that advanced in their bomb program but was sharing what knowledge they had with Japan. America felt this needed to end now.
What I heard........ Even after the second bomb, the Jap military commanders didn't want to surrender. I saw a documentary a while ago. Probably on the anniversary date one year. The Yakuza went into both cities and rounded up young orphaned kids and sold them into brothels. Why waste an opportunity?
Anyway. Fuckers had it coming big time. they got off easy compared to what they did to millions of people they had at their nonexistent mercy.
Nanjing Massacre - Wikipedia
jap soldier kid on bayonet.jpg
 
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The Japanese in China were as horrific or more as Mengele in the concentration camps. Playing games by throwing babies in the air and bayonetting them, operating on people with no anesthesia to see how long they could do it before they died, injecting or gassing people to see how long it took them to die etc, etc. Many hideous "experiments" like the nazis did.
The Americans made Japan a sort of vassal state after the war, exploiting the Japanese inherent ability to be regimented, their exceptional meticulousness and prolific industrial production capabilities to make many American corporate entrepreneurial interest very wealthy .
Thus many Japanese government and military officials including Hirohito that should have been prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity were conveniently ignored by the Americans. Even less than ten years after WW2 ended , towards the Korean War effort in 1953. American controlled Japanese factories were pumping out miltary and civilian products .
Japan today with its Pacifist constitution is actually a major arms manufacture and military global supplier.
 

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The Americans made Japan a sort of vassal state after the war, exploiting the Japanese inherent ability to be regimented, their exceptional meticulousness and prolific industrial production capabilities to make many American corporate entrepreneurial interest very wealthy .
Thus many Japanese government and military officials including Hirohito that should have been prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity were conveniently ignored by the Americans. Even less than ten years after WW2 ended , towards the Korean War effort in 1953. American controlled Japanese factories were pumping out miltary and civilian products .
Japan today with its Pacifist constitution is actually a major arms manufacture and military global supplier.
Interesting that Deming was mostly ignored in the U.S.

 
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What do you think of fire bombing of Tokyo prior to the
atomic bombing? Did it pass as terrorist attack?
War is hell ok. The semantics of the perpetrators, the victims and the sideline observers very rarely jive.
 
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