What are the pluses and minuses of marijuana

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Bad thing about pot is it has become a very lucrative business for organised crime and that brings violence and death. Look at what's been going on in Mexico the last several years and many of those who have been murdered have been innocent tourists who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Here in Canada the biker gangs make too much cash off it to give it up even if it's legalized. They will continue to use violence and murder to protect their profits.
 

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Fuck if I know. I was just watching a show about AJ and they started talking to some reporters from the American show .


Actually. I watched it and it seemed rather good. All CNN reporting is not biased but they sure did a horrible job reporting the "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco. As far as I know, they still have never done an honest report on whether Bush was lying or not and never will nor have they ever apologised for not doing their job of objective ad competent reporting during said fiasco , nor will they ever
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It's fun to smoke it. Relaxes you, makes you happy and lubricates social interaction, without the hit or miss reactions most people have to alcohol. Personally I see no difference between unwinding with a drink versus smoking a joint. People who get hyper over the perceived ill effects of weed need to get some perspective, live and let live and possibly enjoy a few puffs themselves.
 

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It's fun to smoke it. Relaxes you, makes you happy and lubricates social interaction, without the hit or miss reactions most people have to alcohol. Personally I see no difference between unwinding with a drink versus smoking a joint. People who get hyper over the perceived ill effects of weed need to get some perspective, live and let live and possibly enjoy a few puffs themselves.
Sounds like what is termed by some as the equivalent to liquid courage. There's nothing hit or miss with alcohol, unless you don't realize when it too much, fall on your knees and blow chunks all over the ground (if your lucky).

I'm neither hyper nor unfamiliar with the use and affects of dope. All I've really said is control it, as it's the young who are most susceptible to it's worst affects and benefit from that control.
 

Perry Mason

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One of the good things about weed is that after smoking a few joints Blackcock starts to make sense.
Clarification please...

Who has to waste those doobies, Blackrock or you? :D

But I will tell you one thing that I know for sure: it helps, tremendously, my arthritis and sciatica.

And most of the dangers or ill effects come from smoking it... that is, combustion which activates and releases all sorts of other harmful byproducts -- which is why medical use is administered by vaporizing: no combustion.

Also, it is a very helpful aid in meditation and has been used for centuries for that purpose all over Asia.

As far as fucking goes, it also has very powerful aphrodisiac qualities, too, and has also been used ritually in Tantric and sacred sexuality practices.

I found the research reference to its curative values in relation to cancer very "interesting": that's Rastafarian lore.

Perry
 

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Clarification please...

Who has to waste those doobies, Blackrock or you? :D

But I will tell you one thing that I know for sure: it helps, tremendously, my arthritis and sciatica.

And most of the dangers or ill effects come from smoking it... that is, combustion which activates and releases all sorts of other harmful byproducts -- which is why medical use is adminitered by vaporizing: no combustion.

Perry
According to the Gupta doc it seems it is not the THC content that produces benefit but the CBD. There is no proof getting stoned has medical value.
 

Perry Mason

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There is no proof getting stoned has medical value.
There is overwhelming evidence that meditation has great medical value, and pot is a great aid in meditation.

I think that one of the problems is that, because of its demonization (yes, Anslinger, "war on drugs," etc.), there is a lot of misinformation about its use which results in many people abusing it because they don't know how to use it. Pot, like most everything else, is beneficial when used in moderation and potentially harmful if abused.

Perry
 

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most of the dangers or ill effects come from smoking it... that is, combustion which activates and releases all sorts of other harmful byproducts -- which is why medical use is administered by vaporizing: no combustion.

Most people do not realize that vaporizing at a lower temperature will only extract the THC and other beneficial cannabinoids from the flowers of a plant. Unlike lighting a cigarette or a joint, where most of the harmful elements are in the combustion of plant matter.
 

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Weed stimulates my imagination, and helps me sleep, but not at the same time. It also has an aphrodisiac effect for me.

I'm too smart for my own good, so sometimes I need to dumb down to relate to average folks at a peer level.

I saw a funny print ad once. It showed two sixty year old hippies, dressed in buckskin jackets, with greasy long hair, beaded head bands, and tie dyed shirts. One of them says:

"I've been smoking marijuana for 40 years, and I haven't changed a bit!".
 

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No positives to weed..... I never met individual who used weed and had my respect. I think society has failed in many ways to approve of its usage! Perfect example :Mayor Ford.
 

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Not something I do often (maybe three times in the last decade) but it really is no more evil then alcohol.

Use either one on the weekend while sitting around - no problem.

Use them at work or drive after using it - problem.
 

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No positives to weed..... I never met individual who used weed and had my respect. I think society has failed in many ways to approve of its usage! Perfect example :Mayor Ford.
With almost 2 million Canadians admitting to having smoked a joint in the past year, it is quite possible you have met individuals who "used weed" and have your respect, and you did not even know it. Your favourite musicians probably light up. Your most respected actor/director/filmmaker has probably smoked up a few times. I bet there are athletes you respect who have puffed on a doobie in their youth.

One of my favourite, well-respected university profs not only smoked, he grew his own pot in a hidden room in his basement. It was a very impressive setup.

I'd much rather see people use this rather than booze.
Me too. I hate the feeling that alcohol brings, the loss of control and lack of judgement. And I really can't stand being around drunk people.

There is no proof getting stoned has medical value.
I don't see why medical value needs "proof" in order for cannabis to be legalized.
These are very seperate issues.

And oddly enough, the Canadian gov't has a program for Medical Marihuana for people with symptoms as common as arthritis. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/how-comment/index-eng.php
So even the Harper gov't seems to disagree with your assertion.
 

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There is overwhelming evidence that meditation has great medical value, and pot is a great aid in meditation.

Perry

I said getting stoned has no medicinal value



The doc states it is the CBA in dope not the THC that helps with seizures


The doc does not state whether this is the case for all medicinal Maryjane so you are left hanging as to whether THC has any medicinal value and it is the THC that gets you stoned
 
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MattRoxx

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I said getting stoned has no medicinal value
And yet achieving an altered state of consciousness is a common feature throughout every culture and in every time period. So even if getting stoned won't cure a specific disease or hide a symptom, there is a function and inherent need for it.

Using pot's ability to get us stoned as an excuse for keeping it illegal is even worse than the (false) claim that it is dangerously addictive, a gateway drug, "think of the children" or whatever other made-up reason the government uses to keep it criminalized.
 

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The doc states it is the CBA in dope not the THC that helps with seizures

The doc does not state whether this is the case for all medicinal Maryjane so you are left hanging as to whether THC has any medicinal value and it is the THC that gets you stoned
As usual, you are generalizing and using flawed logic...

CBA helps with seizures; THC helps with other conditions... including inducing altered states of consciousness.

And even casual observation of human behavior proves beyond doubt that humanity desperately needs a new state of consciousness or we are going to continue killing each other until there are no humans left.

Perry
 

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No positives to weed..... I never met individual who used weed and had my respect. I think society has failed in many ways to approve of its usage! Perfect example :Mayor Ford.
I more or less agree with you. The government will open up a huge can of worms if recreational marijuana use is legalized. Society has huge complex problems in 2013 which were not present at the time of prohibition. Canadians are deemed not even responsible enough to drink in the park at this time. Driving while impaired on alcohol is illegal, can pot intoxication be measured by LE? All of these heavy weed smokers want their cake and be able to eat it too, but when the shit hits the fan, do they want their surgeon, financial advisor, dentist, lawyer, pilots etc. to be dope smokers, whether it is the illegal or legal use of cannabis, I would think not. Work place productivity would go down even further, leading to further outsourcing of jobs likely. Could employers discriminate against employees who use? Legalization of marijuana will create huge work for lawyers and headaches for the medical establishment as so many unique problems will arise. The pressure from the American will make it impossible for the Canadian government to legalize pot anyway. Alcohol use has evolved with society since prohibition, the government is heavily involved in alcohol and tobacco dealing, but they would really fuck up the legal weed trade, it would provide a big net loss for them.
 

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Why do you think there would be more pressure from America on us than on Colorado and Washington, two states that have legalized recreational use of marijuana.

And you might not know it but every adult in Canada who wants to smoke pot is already smoking pot. Productivity will not go down, and if there were serious medical problems from smoking pot, the 1.5 million current users would be filling up our hospitals. But they are not.
 
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