Well-paying jobs elude minorities born in Canada

[scroll99]

TORONTO — Canadian-born visible minorities face the highest barriers to steady, well-paying jobs of any group in the country, a circumstance expected to worsen as huge numbers of non-white young people enter the labour market, says a Canadian Labour Congress study to be released Wednesday.

The CLC bluntly describes the situation as racial discrimination and suggests parallels to the underlying causes of riots last autumn by jobless and alienated visible-minority young people in the suburbs of Paris and other French cities.

Unemployment rates by group

Arab/West Asian 14%
Black 11.5%
Latin American 10.5%
Southeast Asian 9.8%
South Asian 9.6%
Korean 8.7%
Chinese 8.4%
Multiple** 8.3%
Other 8.1%
Japanese 6.1%
Filipino 5.6%

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060222.wxincome22/BNStory/National/home

 

[playa]

Ok?

They needed a study to conclude this shit?? Pull any minority off the street and they could have told you that for free.

 

[Metalass]

Well, Duh! Any other explanation is an attempt to justify this obvious racism.

 

[Mcluhan]

Ho humm. Will the first person that agrees with this shit, and then complains about it, AND is Canadian by landed immigrant status, please emigrate to some other country. Or head up to Fort McMurry and plead with someone to let them drive a truck for wages. And stop complaining about that veterinarian's degree that you got in India while driving a cab...blah blah blah

 

[scroll99]

Ho humm. Will the first person that agrees with this shit, and then complains about it, AND is Canadian by landed immigrant status, please emigrate to some other country. Or head up to Fort McMurry and plead with someone to let them drive a truck for wages. And stop complaining about that veterinarian's degree that you got in India while driving a cab...blah blah blah

Your remarks seem to be putting a stamp on the article

 

[scroll99]

All Canadians, including the Native People, can trace their origins to an immigrant past.

Tens of thousands of years before the coming of the first European settlers, ancestors of Canada's Native People migrated across a frozen icepack linking Asia to North America. Over many centuries they spread across the continent, forming a rich tapestry of cultural and linguistic groupings. Approximately 500 years ago, Europeans arrived in what would eventually become Canada. First came French colonists who carved out homes along the St. Lawrence River and its tributaries. They were followed by settlers from France and Britain who gradually established competing colonial outposts in the Maritime provinces. The 18th century victory of British arms at Quebec, followed by the British defeat in the American Revolution sent Loyalists northward to British North America (Canada) in search of new homes.

 

[langeweile]

I have to support the article, but it is not limited to people of colour. I know PERSONALLY quiet a few people, that have the same problem.
It's sad.
I think it has more to do with protectionism than with racism.

 

[maxweber]

well, then! there it is!

It's not just immigrants and minorities that are having this problem.

Ah! But you haven't been paying careful attention, have you? The problem here is not "unemployment," as you might think; nor is it "discrimination," as you also might think. No, no; you'd only think those things if you're a liberal, all hung up on.. what did that great, great thinker, Ronald Reagan, call them? pesky things, called facts? Nope, let's get this right now: the problem; the number-one problem is: whining. Okay? You're quite welcome! Glad I could clear that up for you!

MW

 

[langeweile]

Ah! But you haven't been paying careful attention, have you? The problem here is not "unemployment," as you might think; nor is it "discrimination," as you also might think. No, no; you'd only think those things if you're a liberal, all hung up on.. what did that great, great thinker, Ronald Reagan, call them? pesky things, called facts? Nope, let's get this right now: the problem; the number-one problem is: whining. Okay? You're quite welcome! Glad I could clear that up for you!

MW

If you never walked a mile in a mans shoes you have no right to critize him. My guess is you are a white Canadian, and thus completely insulated from those problems.
I suggest you check reality, if you need some contacts for a real world expereince in this matter, please pm me.
Otherwise STFU.

 

[LancsLad]

Visible minority here.

Since everyone wants to jump on I will too. I am pleased to announce the formation of the latest " action committee" to lobby on behalf of an oppressed minority.

I represent "NAAWASPM". We are the National Association for Advancement of White Anglo Saxon Protestant Males. Seems that of late we are being blamed for just about everything and since we only speak Canadian not french we can't get senior jobs in the Federal government. Our members are excluded from senior mandarin posts and constantly being told we can't run for Prime Minister. Imagine our heartache and shame. We contribute as best we can but are excluded from the plum drivel servant jobs because of our colour and language. Damn, even the Toronto police have a big hiring thrust on now trying to find "people of colour" from south east asia, mainly women.
What are us WASP's to do. Isn't white a colour, if you cut us do we not bleed.

Please I urge you, Weber, TOV, Scroll69. Take up the cause of your struggling, melanin impaired " brothers" and lobby for us. Its not just the federal gov't, except for a few like Steve Nash ( who I suspect is secretly black) we are extremely under represented in the NBA, not to mention how little exposure we get on COPS.

This injustice must end. Please support NAAWASPM.

 

[Mcluhan]

Your remarks seem to be putting a stamp on the article

Jump on a plane to Japan, write when you get work. It's about whining...or did someone just say that. Or try London...about the same, minus the language issue.

 

[scroll99]

Jump on a plane to Japan, write when you get work. It's about whining...or did someone just say that. Or try London...about the same, minus the language issue.

Disaster would have been assured if Canada's economical and social decisions were left to the people similar to your mentality .



Do you really think that Canada is do dumb that they are allowing immigrants even if they are not needed , every year immigration ministers are dying to increase the immigration numbers and to reach the target required to keep up with the world economy ...

if you bother to ignore the ignorants you will find that Immigrants are the life blood of the economy and of course they will ask for the social justice and equality as Canada market itself as a land of opportunity ......

Why Canada Needs More Immigrants—Now

Studies in both the United States and Canada have shown that job creation increases and the economy improves as the number of immigrants swells. Immigrants are, as a group, better educated than Canadians and since 1967, when the government introduced its point system, the selection process favours those with marketable skills.

Is there a market here for skilled labour? Actually, Canada is seeing signs of worker shortages in several professions – including engineers, doctors and nurses, to name a few. Added to this is the fact that the population in some provinces is shrinking, and employers are having difficulty filling their rosters with skilled help. Paul Darby, director of the Conference Board of Canada, estimates a shortfall of 3 million skilled workers by the year 2020.


According to a survey by Canada’s Federation of Independent Business, one out of 20 jobs remains unfilled because of an inability to find suitably skilled labour. This represents about 250,000 to 300,000 vacant jobs in small- and medium-sized businesses alone. The lack is not just in professions that require higher education. The worst off are employers looking for skilled construction workers, who reported 7.7 percent of jobs went unfilled. They are followed closely by the business services and agriculture sectors. Hospitals and the personal service sector ranked tenth at 3.8 percent.
The need is greatest in Manitoba, Ontario and Alberta.

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2002/04/immigrants.html

 

[Eli]

I agree with the statment that the people getting the biggest shaft are middle agers. If you are young, articulate, and have the skills you are as good as gold nomatter color or sex or whatever.

 

[scroll99]

I agree with the statment that the people getting the biggest shaft are middle agers. If you are young, articulate, and have the skills you are as good as gold nomatter color or sex or whatever.

I agree with this to some extent ...my personal experience as an immigrant is
for the jobs where you won't find lot of competition from the Canadians ( I wont dare to say white Canadians like IT jobs you are for sure Gold in those areas .

For other jobs I agree with below :


Read this :

Immigrants often have difficulty working in their fields after they arrive. On average, it takes 10 years for immigrants to get hired in jobs for which they have skills and, even then, they are not necessarily working at the skill level to which they have been trained. In March, Jeffrey Reitz of University of Toronto’s Centre for Industrial Relations, released a study showing that immigrants whose skills are underused cost the Canadian economy $2.4 billion yearly. He also estimated that they are underpaid to the tune of $12.6 billion every year. No type of job is exempt. "We used comparisons across the labour force," says Reitz.
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[scroll99]

Scroll, your articles misses a couple of points.

In most cases, highly educated professionals coming to Canada cannot get work in their chosen fields because of regulations restricting foreign accreditation. The stories of physicians from, say, India, who are now driving cabs, are not apocryphal, they're very real.

Another factor are the number of immigrants who join family that already live in Canada. A fair percentage of them - and if I can find source data for this I'll be happy to post it - are beyond working age.

A third factor goes to the inadequacy of corporations, both big and small, to train their own people. They whine and complain and bitch about not being able to hire qualified workers, but won't spend a dime on training their employees, expecting the state to do it instead. It's entirely self-defeating, but since most business types (not all, certainly) are more interested in the bottom line over the next 90 days, they refuse to see the long-term implications of their ineptitude. What's happening now to skilled labour is a direct result of the dearth of training opportunities.

I totally agree ...

 

[Mcluhan]

Disaster would have been assured if Canada's economical and social decisions were left to the people similar to your mentality .




According to a survey by Canada’s Federation of Independent Business, one out of 20 jobs remains unfilled because of an inability to find suitably skilled labour. This represents about 250,000 to 300,000 vacant jobs in small- and medium-sized businesses alone. The lack is not just in professions that require higher education. The worst off are employers looking for skilled construction workers, who reported 7.7 percent of jobs went unfilled. They are followed closely by the business services and agriculture sectors. Hospitals and the personal service sector ranked tenth at 3.8 percent.
The need is greatest in Manitoba, Ontario and Alberta.

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2002/04/immigrants.html

Have you ever been on a construction site? Italians exempted, when was the last time you saw an immigrant framer building a house? Of course the average immigrant is better educated than the masses, that's the way the point system works. The construction industry, mainly in two urban areas is expanding rapidly. Experienced construction workers are not made over night. Come the next economic down turn, spurred by some jackass like Michael Wilson, the unemployment lines will be full of experienced construction workers. Btw, 50% of the construction industry labour force, skilled trades exempted, consists of disfuntional alcoholic drug abusing guys that are pretty much unemployable elsewhere. But that's what you get for $12.00 an hr.

The population in Saskatchewan is declining because the offspring migrate to BC Alberta and Ontario. Do some research on mixed farming and you'll understand why.

Your whinning.

 

[anon1]

http://www.crr.ca/Load.do?section=4&subSection=6&id=371&type=2

 

[basketcase]

Being white doesn't insulate anyone from anything anymore. Just ask my unemployed buddy who keeps getting passed up for jobs because he's not disabled, female, or of different descent....

...or competent, or able to market himself, or willing to lower his standards and take a job that pays less than $100 000/year.

...
A third factor goes to the inadequacy of corporations, both big and small, to train their own people. They whine and complain and bitch about not being able to hire qualified workers, but won't spend a dime on training their employees, expecting the state to do it instead. ....

Companies are in a tough situation as they are unwilling to train a person who can do what is common in cutting edge industries and jump ship to a different company. The impetus is not on the government/state to train people but for people to make themselves as employable as possible. Middle aged people are in a tough situation as they need to prove first that they are equipped with the skills needed in today’s job climate and also to prove that they are able to commit as much time and energy as someone not long out of school who would expect less money.

Read the book "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. There are some interesting insights into the modern world of business, especially the high tech end industries.

 

[Mcluhan]

...or competent, or able to market himself, or willing to lower his standards and take a job that pays less than $100 000/year.

Companies are in a tough situation as they are unwilling to train a person who can do what is common in cutting edge industries and jump ship to a different company. The impetus is not on the government/state to train people but for people to make themselves as employable as possible. Middle aged people are in a tough situation as they need to prove first that they are equipped with the skills needed in today’s job climate and also to prove that they are able to commit as much time and energy as someone not long out of school who would expect less money.

Read the book "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman. There are some interesting insights into the modern world of business, especially the high tech end industries.

This one makes me chuckle. I have been in the high tech zone since about 1994, before www. I have never had any negative issues with people over 40. This is only my experience of course. With people under 30 y.o. the work ethic seems to be a little lax. They also can't spell, not that it matters a hell of a lot in this zone, but it annoys me. This is probably the fault of our primary grade educational system from about 1975 onward (guessing). Personally, I like and prefer new Canadians as employees. I find there is way less attitude. They tend to be more respectful, appreciative, and mannerly. So, bring on the Russians, the Eastern Europeans, The Indians, Chinese etc. I’ve had really great experience with them all. The only real problems I have experienced are with the native born. So I’m not a bigot. I just hate listening to the whining. My forefathers came here to this country and it was hard for them, real hard, and to a one they all did well. Like a lot of you guys on here I suspect my parents lived thru the Depression. I listen to the complaining and I think, jeez, if these people only knew how good life actually is, or maybe better said, how bad it could be. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. The others sit and whine.