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Well it was a mediocre speech by Trump.

richaceg

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Trump was too concern making a "record breaking" longest speech that could've been done in 30 minutes... I'm not impressed....
 

Valcazar

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So you admit that you just make stuff up to make the Bidens sound worse and republicans sound better ? I guess that's a start
I don't think so.
He just believes that anything he can come up with a story for is true if he wants it to be.
"Making it up" implies he knows or cares that it isn't true and that's not quite right.
It is true, because it is true in his mind.
 

Butler1000

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Butler isn't sanctimonious over policy.
He doesn't think policy matters other than how it impacts messaging.
That isn't sanctimonious at all.
No....

Policy does matter. However in an election if you can't sell it to voters then it's useless because policy can only be implemented if you win. And policy, if it's unpopular can make you lose.

But really it's naive to think people elect the President mainly on policy. They elect them on who they are, how well they speak, vision of the nation, and confidence in their ability to lead and deal with a crisis.

Really Congress runs domestic policy, and anything the President wants has to happen with the first year.
 

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Butler isn't sanctimonious over policy.
He doesn't think policy matters other than how it impacts messaging.
That isn't sanctimonious at all.
I can't keep up with it. Hard to keep up with whiners. Always whining about something. Often the opposite thing they whined about before.
 
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Why?
That's one of the things his supporters like about him - his ability to constantly lie.
Because they are telling them what they want to hear. No thinking person is converted by Trump. He just gives those who already feel that way, permission and approval to say so.

Especially those on an escort review board where guys love believing that their cock is too big, the girl said nobody ever went down on them like that before etc etc.
 
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Valcazar

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No....

Policy does matter. However in an election if you can't sell it to voters then it's useless because policy can only be implemented if you win. And policy, if it's unpopular can make you lose.
As I said.
You believe the messaging is the only important thing.
Whether or not the policy is good, or helps, or improves thing is irrelevant to you, as you have made clear numerous times.

But really it's naive to think people elect the President mainly on policy. They elect them on who they are, how well they speak, vision of the nation, and confidence in their ability to lead and deal with a crisis.
I quite agree with this - the idea that people primarily vote on policy is just wrong.
It's why whenever you pretend that policy matters to you it is so comical.
 

Dutch Oven

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Other than most of the world class business' being in the US I find very little to admire about the US.
Really? Canada has done many admirable things, but you have no room to admire the US for:

1. Being the leading proponent of democracy in the world?
2. Developing its economy in a way that benefits the economies of most of the free nations of the world (including Canada)?
3. Producing enormous innovation and organizing, through VOLUNTARY means, the capital to develop that innovation?
4. Walking the walk in addition to talking the talk when it comes to shutting down dangerous and violent rogue nations and rogue movements in the world?
5. Being a world leader in civil liberties and the protection of minority groups?
6. Turning the tide in WWII so that we can argue about politics on a pooner board today without brown shirts rounding us up?

If you can't see these things when you look at the US, I think you barely know anything about our neighbor, closest economic partner and geopolitical ally.
 

SchlongConery

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Really? Canada has done many admirable things, but you have no room to admire the US for:

1. Being the leading proponent of democracy in the world?
2. Developing its economy in a way that benefits the economies of most of the free nations of the world (including Canada)?
3. Producing enormous innovation and organizing, through VOLUNTARY means, the capital to develop that innovation?
4. Walking the walk in addition to talking the talk when it comes to shutting down dangerous and violent rogue nations and rogue movements in the world?
5. Being a world leader in civil liberties and the protection of minority groups?
6. Turning the tide in WWII so that we can argue about politics on a pooner board today without brown shirts rounding us up?

If you can't see these things when you look at the US, I think you barely know anything about our neighbor, closest economic partner and geopolitical ally.

Yeah, all of the above proved that the US is vulnerable to Trumptard MAGAT's who shut down promised military aid to Ukraine and publicly supported Vladimir Putin's right to Ukraine etc.

And that ALL of the above is imperiled by the election of a demagogue self-described strong man wannabe Dictator.
 

Butler1000

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I can't keep up with it. Hard to keep up with whiners. Always whining about something. Often the opposite thing they whined about before.
Apparently my so called whining was right. Biden was indeed not fit to continue. I called it long ago while you and everyone else continued your incessant Trump whining.

And now you have to eat that shit.
 

Butler1000

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As I said.
You believe the messaging is the only important thing.
Whether or not the policy is good, or helps, or improves thing is irrelevant to you, as you have made clear numerous times.



I quite agree with this - the idea that people primarily vote on policy is just wrong.
It's why whenever you pretend that policy matters to you it is so comical.
As I specifically said, policy does matter. Right there in black and white. But at this point I guess you have to resort to this because you have nothing real to go with.

Especially when the seller of the policy isn't coherent enough to understand it themselves.
 
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tastingyou

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Yeah, all of the above proved that the US is vulnerable to Trumptard MAGAT's who shut down promised military aid to Ukraine and publicly supported Vladimir Putin's right to Ukraine etc.

And that ALL of the above is imperiled by the election of a demagogue self-described strong man wannabe Dictator.
I think that this better states the point of my post. Any nation where 40-45% of the population support an absolute SICKO [ with zero decent qualities ] who should be in jail like Trump has a severely weakened moral compass. The interesting thing is that many of the MAGA crowd who support Trump would benefit the least from Trump's tax reduction agenda and probably benefit far more from Democrat policies .
 
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Valcazar

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As I specifically said, policy does matter. Right there in black and white. But at this point I guess you have to resort to this because you have nothing real to go with.

Especially when the seller of the policy isn't coherent enough to understand it themselves.
Saying "policy does matter" when you deny it constantly with your behavior isn't exactly convincing.
 

tastingyou

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Really? Canada has done many admirable things, but you have no room to admire the US for:

1. Being the leading proponent of democracy in the world?
2. Developing its economy in a way that benefits the economies of most of the free nations of the world (including Canada)?
3. Producing enormous innovation and organizing, through VOLUNTARY means, the capital to develop that innovation?
4. Walking the walk in addition to talking the talk when it comes to shutting down dangerous and violent rogue nations and rogue movements in the world?
5. Being a world leader in civil liberties and the protection of minority groups?
6. Turning the tide in WWII so that we can argue about politics on a pooner board today without brown shirts rounding us up?

If you can't see these things when you look at the US, I think you barely know anything about our neighbor, closest economic partner and geopolitical ally.
Maybe I should add - to currently admire especially when 40- 45% support Trump and if he is elected some of the above will be severely altered. And if he is not elected who knows what his suppo
Really? Canada has done many admirable things, but you have no room to admire the US for:

1. Being the leading proponent of democracy in the world?
2. Developing its economy in a way that benefits the economies of most of the free nations of the world (including Canada)?
3. Producing enormous innovation and organizing, through VOLUNTARY means, the capital to develop that innovation?
4. Walking the walk in addition to talking the talk when it comes to shutting down dangerous and violent rogue nations and rogue movements in the world?
5. Being a world leader in civil liberties and the protection of minority groups?
6. Turning the tide in WWII so that we can argue about politics on a pooner board today without brown shirts rounding us up?

If you can't see these things when you look at the US, I think you barely know anything about our neighbor, closest economic partner and geopolitical ally.
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If Trump is elected 1, 4 and 5 above will be seriously and negatively impacted.
 

Dutch Oven

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I think that this better states the point of my post. Any nation where 40-45% of the population support an absolute SICKO [ with zero decent qualities ] who should be in jail like Trump has a severely weakened moral compass. The interesting thing is that many of the MAGA crowd who support Trump would benefit the least from Trump's tax reduction agenda and probably benefit far more from Democrat policies .
I think your explanation is even weaker than your original statement. At least Schlong recognized the points I made about American achievements, and simply shifted to his fear that Trump will undermine these achievements, which I think is extremely unlikely.
 
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