WARNING - to all SUBMISSIVE bdsm providers

bound&gagged

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WARNING TO ALL S/m SERVICE PROVIDERS

I would like to inform any and all Toronto area professional BDSM service providers that offer "SUBMISSION SCENES" about a recent encounter.

We had incident, which we take very seriously and absolutely WILL NOT tolerate at our dungeon with a very regular client who is a switch, but usually books scenes with our submissive girls, and usually after 10pm.
He usually books with subs between 1-2 hours and attends our facility 3-4 times per month.

The incident was on Sat. Oct. 22/05 early afternoon, downtown Toronto. The client arrived for his pre-booked scene with one of our subs for his typical session which involves:
heavy physical and emotional humiliation
foot worship & nipple torture.


The scene was prebooked for 7PM for 1 hour with a submissive who is somewhat new to the professional scene of BDSM.

Approximately halfway during the session the client brought our pro-sub out of the chamber crawling on her hands and knees and leashed into the main area of the dungeon display humiliation to myself, Lord Max, Miss Tiffany and Switch Ava who were present in the facility while the scene was taking place. Our sub was also asked to perform boot worship on Ava in our presence, and there was no indication of any problem that were occurring inside the chamber. (THIS WAS FINE)

After the client's public display of humiliation he and our sub returned to the chamber where he repeatedly attempted to PHYSICALLY FORCE our sub into providing him with extra SEXUAL SERVICES - THAT WE DO NOT OFFER!

The client DID NOT respect the SAFE WORDS, although the submissive repeatedly called "RED" although the UNCONSENSUAL DEMANDS were not provided, our team member is now recovering from this emotional damage that resulted from this session.

This client has been banned from returning to our facility, and this message is to make other professionals aware of the situation. This was the first encounter between the client and that particular sub, and during previous scenes with our other subs, the FORCED SEXUAL DEMANDS had never even been requested.

The client left after his scene indicating that he was pleased with our sub and gave no indication of any problem. The staff member did not leave the chamber until after the client left the facility.

ALSO - MOST IMPORTANTLY -

I would like to remind clients that our Professional DOMINANTS always respect YOUR limitations during play, and HIGHLY RESPECT THE SAFE WORDS!
We play SAFE, SANE AND CONSENSUALLY.

WE EXPECT DOMINANT CLIENTS WHO BOOK WITH SUBMISSIVE GIRLS TO HAVE THE SAME REGARD FOR OUR BOTTOMS, AND RESPECT THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIMITATIONS.

ALSO OUR FACILITY DOES NOT PROVIDE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
DO NOT ASK FOR IT - AND DO NOT OFFER EXTRA COMPENSATION!!

if any provider would like additional information - please PM me. I did not post a description or name, out of respect for his privacy although he had no respect for our sub.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO DISCUSS AND ESTABLISH SAFE WORDS AS WELL AS THE EXPECTATIONS BEFORE PLAYING!

Goddess Vanessa Payne
Head Mistress
 

bound&gagged

BDSM Fetish & Fantasy
thank you for your sympathy,

TYPICAL SCENE DETAILS REQUESTED BY THIS CLIENT:

Wardrobe requests: very skimpy revealing slutty clothing
Typical Scenes: Extremely intense and heavy dominant
likes extreme foot worship, punnishment, TT&CT, dog training, hot wax, lots of name calling and humiliation.
Notes by Staff: He sometimes has the urge to switch during scenes, though not always, he pushes limits but always been respectful, usually plays for 1 hour - but can sometimes extend to 2, and comes very late evenings straight from work.

FOR PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION PLEASE PM ME FOR DETAILS

UPDATE -

On a happier note, I would like to advise anyone that our submissive is recovering fine, but we're not sure when she will be available for bookings yet.

Goddess Vanessa Payne
 
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Meister

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bound&gagged said:
After the client's public display of humiliation he and our sub returned to the chamber where he repeatedly attempted to PHYSICALLY FORCE our sub into providing him with extra SEXUAL SERVICES - THAT WE DO NOT OFFER!
I am not trying to be critical, just wanting to understand. Don't the guys get sexually aroused by this treatment? Do they masturbate during the session? Are the clients alone with the sub in the chamber? If so, why do you leave them alone in there?

I have a hard time picturing myself slapping a half naked girl, getting aroused and then not being allowed to touch her boobs. But, then, I have a hard time understanding the scene anyway.
 

WhaWhaWha

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bound&gagged said:
On a happier note, I would like to advise anyone that our submissive is recovering fine, but we're not sure when she will be available for bookings yet.
Forgive me if I seem insensitive, but recovering from what? Recovering from being asked for sex while engaging in sexually arousing activity? How delicate can her sensibilities be? I mean it is prone to happen. You even write disclaimers about it so obviously its not unexpected that it could happen.
 

Svend

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Recovering from being raped.
This was a regular client who knew the limits and went beyond them.
 

anything_goes

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Svend said:
Recovering from being raped.
This was a regular client who knew the limits and went beyond them.
Didn't b&g say that the non-consentual activities were NOT provided? That would make it more like attempted rape.

Still really really shitty. Hope the provider makes a full emotional recovery.
 

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WhaWhaWha said:
Forgive me if I seem insensitive, but recovering from what? Recovering from being asked for sex while engaging in sexually arousing activity? How delicate can her sensibilities be? I mean it is prone to happen. You even write disclaimers about it so obviously its not unexpected that it could happen.
This is a pretty appalling remark to make. How could you have read b&g's post and think that all that had happened was that the guy had "asked" for additional services?
 

WhaWhaWha

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I had read that he did not get his sexual services after all. This, to me, means she was not raped. I would never trivialize rape. I was merely commenting that being asked, especially in a setting like a fetish dungeon, is not the end of the world. So was she raped or not? if so then please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding and my sympathies. if not then my previous post stands pat.
 

Svend

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I shouldn't have said "rape", I misread the initial post.
"attempted" is a bit lesser of an evil, but still worthy of banishment if not more. It's a shame he'll probably look elsewhere for his kicks.
 

WhaWhaWha

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You are right femenista. That is assault. No wonder she needed to recover. Please excuse me everyone - had I paid more attention my response would have been more appropriate.

As much as the customer is at fault, I think part of the problem is awareness. I know I'm as novice as it comes to the whole sub/dom fetish scene. Any time I've ever talked to a sub/dom about their activity I have offended them by not knowing about this or that. My feeling is that part of the culture is that to belong is to behave exclusively. This is acceptable, but then I made another assumption that this sub's desire to be exclusive carried so far as to cause her anguish over being asked for sex.

Still, as much as the customer is at fault, this can hardly be equated with date rape, or assaulting a random stranger. The mood and the scene was set for arousal. The target was fulfilling a role -- ie behaving in a manner that put her in a vulnerable position of risk.

What steps can the owners of the dungeon take to prevent this kind of scene from escalating? From ensuring they select a good client/sub Sp match, to iterating the right disclaimers at the appropriate time. Kind of like a Wal mart greeter who has to say the same lame thing 1000 times a day. They should remember to say, remember, no full service.

And the sub should have been given the tools to not only fend him off (safety words), but a means of defense or escape (ie the authority to let the customer know she will have him banned, reported, or even arrested). If escape is not possible then a code of knocks that will bring help from outside.

Just some more suggestions from a no0b.
 

bound&gagged

BDSM Fetish & Fantasy
UPDATE OCT. 31 -

HAPPY HALLOWEEN


Bottom line is he was a regular client, he knew the limitations, and he overstepped them, probably thinking that the new team member would fold under pressure. Either way it's not acceptable.

As for safety measures, I can assure they are within the chambers, and all of the girls know about them. I can not comment about why she reacted the way she did.

I can also tell you that with over 10 years working professionally myself (starting as a submissive as well) that this is very rare. People who want to harm women in any way, usually don't pay for it. Most of the players are experienced or curious, and the curious are always with a very experienced sub.

As for our staff member, she has now recovered emotionally from her ordeal. She has chalked it upto a "bad call" and has returned to the dungeon with greater experience on how to handle a situation such as that.

Thank you all for your support.
 
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