Finally the good folk of Caledonia have stood up and in force to display their displeasure with the protesting Indians. Since February they have been denied access to to a highway which has caused considerable inconveniance to those who reside in the area. Enough is enough, the police has been authorized by the courts for some time now to remove the protesters. In not doing so it does nothing but empower these lawbreakers. In good faith talks are underway regarding the dispute. It is time for the Indians to put the tire fires out, remove the barriers and give the use of the road to the innocent tax paying citizens of Caledonia. Enough is enough!
Warclouds Rise Over Caledonia
- Thread starter clearwaterjim
- Start date
Just imagine how fast the police would have acted if a large group of white guys barricaded the roads leading to the injun casinos and started burning cars. Yes Virginia there are double standards.
I thought this line by 1 of the residents was funny, on the natives. From pulse24.
"If these people are not Canadians then they're bloody terrorists," said Lisa Parent, one of about 10,000 living in the normally quiet community
"If these people are not Canadians then they're bloody terrorists," said Lisa Parent, one of about 10,000 living in the normally quiet community
LancsLad said:
I saw on T.V. where one indian smashed the back of a cop van and the cops did nothing . I wonder what would happen to me if I did that when I got a speeding ticket , actually I don't wonder .
Not as funny as you would like to believe. There are regular sound bytes of natives occupying in Caledonia saying that they are their own country and that they are not Canadian. People in Caledonia are only responding to that and asking the government to do their job. If anyone else who claimed to be from another country was occupying a plot of land, would we even be having this discussion? No, of course not.milhouse said:
In my opinion, an armed conflict is coming and quickly, and it won't havethe police involved in the least. The law-abiding residents have good reason to be freaked out because the highway the natives are blocking is the route to the nearest hospital. There has also been video footage I've seen of the natives raiding the office of the developer who has done nothing wrong, as well as stealing from the houses. There even was a report of natives entering a store near the occupation camp and taking whatever they wanted because in their words "This store is on our land, so we own everything". So tell me how the citizens of Caledonia are NOT being terrorized?
The fact is the occupiers could easily have set up on the site not blocking the highway and made a peaceful protest (maybe even set up an information picket like they do with union strikes) but they decided to hold the town hostage with the blaze of a tire fire and dumped gravel. All the residents are asking for is that the equality by race promised under the Charter be enforced because right now it is not.
hyperbole
Terrorists
I am glad to see someone other than myself refer to the indians as terrorists . When any group has a court decision go against them so they pick up weapons , rocks or guns , to battle police over a political point they are terrorists . If you add the further point , as with Oca , that threats by supporting first nation groups to destroy large quantities of power lines etc if force was used against the protesters/ terrorists then we must act as if it is a terrorist attack. Having weapons and physically seizing land or buildings is not a protest any longer . Armed standoffs have been occuring with police before I was born and they are occuring with greater size and frequency . Unfortunately we will eventually have to take a strong line against this threat . The first step is to properly label them as terrorists in the press , courts , and goverment .
Boo
I am glad to see someone other than myself refer to the indians as terrorists . When any group has a court decision go against them so they pick up weapons , rocks or guns , to battle police over a political point they are terrorists . If you add the further point , as with Oca , that threats by supporting first nation groups to destroy large quantities of power lines etc if force was used against the protesters/ terrorists then we must act as if it is a terrorist attack. Having weapons and physically seizing land or buildings is not a protest any longer . Armed standoffs have been occuring with police before I was born and they are occuring with greater size and frequency . Unfortunately we will eventually have to take a strong line against this threat . The first step is to properly label them as terrorists in the press , courts , and goverment .
Boo
First step is to stop giving billions of OUR tax dollars a year away to the petulant little SOB's. Let them get jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us. This professional injun inspired guilt trip has to stop.
I am hopeful that the new Federal gov't will start to take a hard line with these parasites.
I am hopeful that the new Federal gov't will start to take a hard line with these parasites.
Would it piss you off even more to learn that on the Six Nations reserve alone that there are no less than 7 millionaires living there? And that many of them were set up by the band council using the tax dollars our government gives them for the betterment of the reserve as a whole? They seem to have mastered the technique of the elite getting rich on the backs of the unfortunate, so it's definitely time we introduced them to the concept of taxation.LancsLad said:
hyperbole
hyperbole said:
Agreed... I am a supporter of the Fraser Institute ( no surprise there) and their publications have highlighted the travesty that is the Professional Indian that leads the high life syphoning off the guilt money.
Seem to remember that they blocked a major bridge in Montreal for months. This blockade in Caledonia could last a long time. It would be interesting to know how these people support themselves.
Could not believe that they were able to block a railway line for any amount of time. Cutting of rail travel is a direct attack against Canada’s infrastructure.
Could not believe that they were able to block a railway line for any amount of time. Cutting of rail travel is a direct attack against Canada’s infrastructure.
The subtext of the whole thing is simple:
"We destroyed the poor Natives, so we'll let them demonstrate a bit and have them trot out land agreements from a hundred years ago and then move the soldiers in to end it all. Let's not have another Oka guys."
The mayor's comment was inappropriate, but unfortunately the perception is real, and this standoff is doing nothing to further the Native cause.
How long does Native guilt go on? My parents divorced when I was a child, can I take over the land around the corner and flout the law?
"We destroyed the poor Natives, so we'll let them demonstrate a bit and have them trot out land agreements from a hundred years ago and then move the soldiers in to end it all. Let's not have another Oka guys."
The mayor's comment was inappropriate, but unfortunately the perception is real, and this standoff is doing nothing to further the Native cause.
How long does Native guilt go on? My parents divorced when I was a child, can I take over the land around the corner and flout the law?
Mao Tse Tongue said:
Most likely yes if you are a member of the Oppressed Minority Flavour of the Month. You would be full of angst. Its perfectly understandable, here take another $Billion.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go visit a reserve and see how the average native lives. It's anything but "the high life."LancsLad said:
I guess not having potable drinking water is the high life...
I guess there is a reason that someone once coined the phrase "indian Giver". Since they want to reneg on an old agreement from the eighteen hundreds the the Federal Government has the right to reneg on all deals they made in the past. See how they like paying $1.10 a litre for gas instead of the .40cents the pay now. Tax there casinos, and withhold all federal provencial funding. They want to fight. Lets get it on!!!!!
The problem is that government send large amounts of cash but the Chiefs and tribal elders have to account to no on how or even if they spent the money meaning it is corruption amongst themselves that determine the state in which their people live. Hundred of millions with no accountability = corruption.Keebler Elf said:You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go visit a reserve and see how the average native lives. It's anything but "the high life."
I guess not having potable drinking water is the high life...
When the problem with the Oca standoff in Montreal area . A few years back hway 54 was blocked Between Middleport and Onondaga on the Six Nations for months
Hyway 6 bypass of Caledonia and Also Argyle st have been blocked since last thursday .Before that only the housing development was blocked which was bad enough.
As a person living near Caledonia and Six Nations .This is not so much a land grab which land has been added to this reserve in the last few years quietly.THis is about money people on this reserve are not suffering .I know some people there doing very good
NIce to see the OPP protecting the people who are breaking the law in this case by not leaving land that a court order to leave was issued for.I wonder why we pay taxes we sure are not getting any protection from them .They should all be fired.
Hyway 6 bypass of Caledonia and Also Argyle st have been blocked since last thursday .Before that only the housing development was blocked which was bad enough.
As a person living near Caledonia and Six Nations .This is not so much a land grab which land has been added to this reserve in the last few years quietly.THis is about money people on this reserve are not suffering .I know some people there doing very good
NIce to see the OPP protecting the people who are breaking the law in this case by not leaving land that a court order to leave was issued for.I wonder why we pay taxes we sure are not getting any protection from them .They should all be fired.
Actually this is something that is carefully kept out of the press (much for the same reason they don't storm the barricades in Caledonia) but a great deal of money that should've gone to potable drinking water was transferred to any reserve that has ever needed it for decades. The fact of the matter is that this money is given by the feds to the local chiefs and band councils to spend without any oversight whatsoever. In most cases, this money is mismanaged and squandered (creating the millionaires I've mentioned previously) but the feds are also afraid of imposing any spending limits or checks that might create more Oka-like situations. Kind of a catch-22 but it has got to end somewhere. In the end, it's natives screwing natives out of their fair share while pointing an accusing finger at the "white devils". I have a friend who has worked on a government project on a reserve and when they budgeted it out, his boss laughed at him and told him to talk to the chief about his projections. He was then told by the chief that it would take 2-3 times as long to do the project because the native workers only work when they feel like it and at their chosen pace (yet they would still be paid for full days work even when they don't show up), and that the materials budget had to be doubled to account for things that will "walk away". A project that should have only cost us just under $1 million ended up clear past $3 million.Keebler Elf said:You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go visit a reserve and see how the average native lives. It's anything but "the high life."
I guess not having potable drinking water is the high life...
The Assembly of First Nations like to talk about an independent nation while atthe same time knowing full well that it will spiral into oblivion if it ever happened. That's the reality of the situation we are in right now: good money being thrown after bad.
hyperbole
Its the fault of the civil service. When you consider that under the watchful guideance of the Federal Fisheries people the Atlantic Cod stock was decimated, makes you wonder why the Injun affairs people can't seem to get the same results.
