War with Iran

onthebottom

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The US cannot stay in the Persian Gulf indefinitely to keep the Straight of Hormuz open. Iran will strive to keep it closed or at least unstable backed by Putin which will help Russian oil futures .
On the other hand, China desperately needs the oil to keep flowing through the Persian Gulf which might strain their coalition with Iran and Russia. There are multiple dimensions to this chess game.
It serves no one (other than non gulf states that export energy - US Canada, Russia, Venezuel) to keep it closed especially Iran.
 

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None of that is remotely true.
All of it is true although the strait traffic will take a while.

there are Iranians celebrating in Toronto, Montreal, London, NYC.

you guys are getting garbage news.
 
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It serves no one (other than non gulf states that export energy - US Canada, Russia, Venezuel) to keep it closed especially Iran.
Closed? No. But if TACO happens guess who controls it?
 

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All of it is true although the strait traffic will take a while.

there are Iranians celebrating in Toronto, Montreal, London, NYC.

you guys are getting garbage news.
While FF is obviously posting AI slop and bad Twitter there are lots of decent feeds out there. And things are first than you realize.

How about you define what a win is? Regime change? Obtain the fissionabkw materials? Destroy the nation like Gaza? Take control of the oil fields?
 

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All of it is true although the strait traffic will take a while.

there are Iranians celebrating in Toronto, Montreal, London, NYC.

you guys are getting garbage news.
You said:
no US bases are destroyed, Iran is struggling to mount any retaliation at this point. Traffic in the Straight is resuming, US underwriting the insurance and offering naval escorts.
US bases, missile defence systems have been damaged and destroyed in many cases.
The US is now bringing THAAD missile parts from South Korea and Asia because of this. Over 4B losses in 1 week.
The Strait of Hormuz is effectively closed as evidenced by rising oil prices.
There are power cuts reported in Pakistan, India and many other places dependent on oil from the middle east and infact hotels are shutting down because they are running out of LPG.
They said 8 dead, and Iran said 500+ dead. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
And today they say 140+ soldiers are injured. And this without a single soldier setting foot on Iranian soil.
The Israeli leaders are also reportedly frustrated and you can see it in the tweets the PM of Israel account is putting out constantly saying the people should rise up and revolt.
Idiotic as they are busy avoiding Israeli air strikes on civilian targets.
So hardly a walk in the park as you said earlier.
You are drinking the kool aid, flowing through the "Straits of Trump's dirty diapers".
PS: Iranian diaspora are a minority, and even they are divided on whether this war is needed. The longer this war continues, the more it will galvanize Iranians despite their differences. It is inevitable and you'd be naive to assume that won't be the case.
 
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All of it is true although the strait traffic will take a while.

there are Iranians celebrating in Toronto, Montreal, London, NYC.

you guys are getting garbage news.
Trump's war on Iran was waged to serve the interest of his
master Israel. Celebrations by Iranian migrants in Canada
many of whom Canadian citizens are of little to no relevance.
They are not the ones who would volunteer to fight the Iran
regime or finance Trump's invasion of their country of origin.
It is Israel's American fighting dogs who have to do the fighting
and dying for Israel's poodle that is Trump. For Trump to win
the war it is the people of Iran in Iran he has to win over.
 
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