Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change

[GPIDEAL]

LBJ gave us civil rights and many other great programs. And I would stack his wit up against any post war President.

Overall I think with two notable exceptions I think the US has been blessed with pretty good executive leadership post WWII.

LBJ continued JFK's legacy insofar as Civil Rights, but not with respect to Viet Nam.

The Warren Commission which he established, was a white wash, and not a true investigation of the truth. He forced Earl Warren to partake (as with other reluctant persons) with the threat of nuclear war if word got out that it could've been the Soviets or the Cubans behind the assassination.

LBJ was no dummy that's for sure. But he wasn't a saint either, and probably worse than any Kennedy if one considers the scandals behind the scenes (eg. Bobby Baker).

 

[GPIDEAL]

Compare this president to all that followed him. How sad that we have not seen any of his talents and wit since.

I agree, thank you.

 

[asterwald]

Unless you can afford lobbyists and funding campaigns of politicians. Your vote and viewpoints mean nothing.

 

[happ]

Not buying it you need leaders like Rob Ford with the balls to put themselves on the line and not be worried about winning or harm to themselves. I think Obama has done a good job on defence; one of the better Presidential warriors knocking out the pirates, bin ladens crew, drones and making it clear in the world not to fuck with him. I think he's toying with Isis. On the economic front average, bernake, afraid to slay the deficit and some how not getting the economy to kick start as is typical in america after a recession but the growth is coming.

 

[wigglee]

not buying it you need leaders like rob ford with the balls to put themselves on the line and not be worried about winning or harm to themselves. I think obama has done a good job on defence; one of the better presidential warriors knocking out the pirates, bin ladens crew, drones and making it clear in the world not to fuck with him. I think he's toying with isis. On the economic front average, bernake, afraid to slay the deficit and some how not getting the economy to kick start as is typical in america after a recession but the growth is coming.

rob ford for prez!....genius!!!!

 

[Titalian]

LBJ gave us civil rights

Which were commenced by JFK !!!!!

 

[Titalian]

Compare this president to all that followed him. How sad that we have not seen any of his talents and wit since.

It is interesting to note, that he was somewhat of a hobbyist. Which did not take away, from his commitment of freedom and rights.

 

[jazzpig]

JP, it's so obvious that there are two viewpoints in this speech.

JFK was lied to by the CIA about the Bay of Pigs. I can give you the link to the declassified reports. He learned a lot about that experience - the hard way.

He even hedged his position (just like in this speech) - appear as a Cold Warrior to appease the hardliners and look committed to the Communists, but on many occasions chose the option of peace instead of risking all out war.

I'm aware of the issues that Kennedy faced, not to the extent that you are ( I remember our conversations), but I still don't see it.
It would be so cryptic, even more so for that time, that it wouldn't serve any purpose.
I've reread it and there a few sentences that if isolated from the rest of the speech, with given a predisposition to believe in the existence of a shadow government,
it could be interpreted in the way you're suggesting.
But if I remove the bias (mine also) and read it within the context of not only the speech, but each paragraph....I really don't see it.

I'ld heard this speech long before, as evidence of the conspiracy (which I do believe exists), but always in its edited form, tightly tapered to fit the storyline.
I eventually searched out the entire speech to confirm the contextual legitimacy of it because of all the other customized "evidence" put forth to support the theories.
When I read the whole thing, I saw it completely different, as I do now.
At least you posted the entire speech, which you rarely ever see.

 

[Ridgeman08]

This is EXACTLY why I have said so many times... it makes no difference which a$$hole we vote in... they are all the same. Simply puppets in the foreground who are all being run by the puppet masters in the back ground. This "secret government" are all nameless faceless people hiding behind huge multinational corporations and pulling the strings and manipulating governments, and public opinion (via controlling the media), for their own gain.

 

[NiceShoes]

Government is the pimp of all pimps

 

[jazzpig]

 

[Titalian]

JP, it's so obvious that there are two viewpoints in this speech.

JFK was lied to by the CIA about the Bay of Pigs. I can give you the link to the declassified reports. He learned a lot about that experience - the hard way.

He even hedged his position (just like in this speech) - appear as a Cold Warrior to appease the hardliners and look committed to the Communists, but on many occasions chose the option of peace instead of risking all out war.

Very well said GP and this is an example of what your stating. Its unfortunate, he was one of last true leaders of the Western world, He always kept his people informed = For the people and by the people !!!!!

 

[GPIDEAL]

I'm aware of the issues that Kennedy faced, not to the extent that you are ( I remember our conversations), but I still don't see it.
It would be so cryptic, even more so for that time, that it wouldn't serve any purpose.
I've reread it and there a few sentences that if isolated from the rest of the speech, with given a predisposition to believe in the existence of a shadow government,
it could be interpreted in the way you're suggesting.
But if I remove the bias (mine also) and read it within the context of not only the speech, but each paragraph....I really don't see it.

I'ld heard this speech long before, as evidence of the conspiracy (which I do believe exists), but always in its edited form, tightly tapered to fit the storyline.
I eventually searched out the entire speech to confirm the contextual legitimacy of it because of all the other customized "evidence" put forth to support the theories.
When I read the whole thing, I saw it completely different, as I do now.
At least you posted the entire speech, which you rarely ever see.

I never thought this speech was evidence of any conspiracy, but he goes on at length about the evils of secret societies and the importance of the public's access to information. Maybe it's a message or warning , albeit cryptic.

I do agree that it seems that conspiracy-theorists harp on this speech when speaking in terms of the 'shadow government'. The speech is still relevant today I guess.

 

[GPIDEAL]

This is EXACTLY why I have said so many times... it makes no difference which a$$hole we vote in... they are all the same. Simply puppets in the foreground who are all being run by the puppet masters in the back ground. This "secret government" are all nameless faceless people hiding behind huge multinational corporations and pulling the strings and manipulating governments, and public opinion (via controlling the media), for their own gain.

Presidents are not kings or gods.

Many hoped that Obama would've have authorized the earlier release of the last classified 1,100 documents (equivalent to 50,000 pages) held by the CIA on the JFK Assassination. Those documents include secret files of intelligence agency persons who were involved with Anti-Castro revolutionaries, to name a few. However, Obama maintained the status quo (release scheduled for 2017).

However, the CIA is arguing they should continue to be declassified.

I really feel that there are documents which incriminate the CIA as to untidy connections with rogues and/or incriminating information (the Oswald impostor affair in Mexico City seems buried by them - that would mean evidence of a conspiracy in the works).

 

[GPIDEAL]

It is interesting to note, that he was somewhat of a hobbyist. Which did not take away, from his commitment of freedom and rights.

I read somewhere that Congressman Kennedy gave a phone number or two of girls to Nixon who stopped by his office to say hello before travelling to Paris. He he.

LBJ had his mistresses too.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Not buying it you need leaders like Rob Ford with the balls to put themselves on the line and not be worried about winning or harm to themselves. I think Obama has done a good job on defence; one of the better Presidential warriors knocking out the pirates, bin ladens crew, drones and making it clear in the world not to fuck with him. I think he's toying with Isis. On the economic front average, bernake, afraid to slay the deficit and some how not getting the economy to kick start as is typical in america after a recession but the growth is coming.

Rofo certainly is not afraid of harming his health with the way he abuses his body.

 

[benstt]

I know everything I need to know from Mike Myers in So I Married an Axe Murderer:

Well it's a well known fact sonny-jim that there's a secret society of the 5 wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaverate. Who run everything in the world including the newspapers, & meet tri-annually in a secrect country mansion in Colorado known as The Meadows. (So who's in this Pentaverate?)The Queen, the Getty's, the Rothschilds, the Vatican & Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Ooh I hated the Colonel, with his wee beady eyes and that smug look on his face! Ohh you're gonna buy my chicken! Oohhh! (Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?) Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly, smart ass!

 

[rld]

Which were commenced by JFK !!!!!

I think JFK was great. I just think many presidents since him have also been very good.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I think JFK was great. I just think many presidents since him have also been very good.

I love JFK, despite his imperfections. He had a vision which was way ahead of his time. Unfortunately, we would never know how great he might have been.

As for future Presidents, I think they all did or tried to do great things (except maybe for Gerald Ford?).

Reagan was not at his prime, but he did a lot of great things, and inspired Americans perhaps just as much as JFK did.

Clinton was perhaps one of the smartest Presidents since JFK.

 

[Titalian]

I love JFK, despite his imperfections. He had a vision which was way ahead of his time. Unfortunately, we would never know how great he might have been.

As for future Presidents, I think they all did or tried to do great things (except maybe for Gerald Ford?).

Reagan was not at his prime, but he did a lot of great things, and inspired Americans perhaps just as much as JFK did.

Clinton was perhaps one of the smartest Presidents since JFK.

But JFK was the example for future presidencies.