Using your real name or going incognito when visiting SP/MA?

[Oxmal]

I use my real first name.. its common enough... and I don't want her screaming someone elses name durning the act... kinda a turn off... like ex-girlfriends who cheat... haha

Go to a local gas bar, get a throw away cell... use that for your 'hobby' phone.. paid cash, minutes system.. not exactly somthing that can be tracked, googled or otherwise.. simple and easy.... In a day and age when EVERYONE over 10yrs old has a cell phone... why do you think throw away phones exsist????? EEEXXXXXXAAACCCCCTTTLLLLYYYY!

 

[Boomer]

I am quite comfortable using my own name. I think in many ways I am more safe and secure doing so, as there are always risks associated secrets and lies. It just seems to me that there can't be trust as soon as there are lies that have to be supported.

It seems to me that one of the fundamental problems associated with this industry, whether client or providers is the use of duel identities. As Cat says providers have lives outside the industry so they tend have a second identity, as with probably the clients maintaining this second and fictional identity because they have a tendency to cheat. This leads to a certain amount of natural wariness. The closer you are to the truth the easier to maintain a consistent and natural relationship.

So, if you think you're going to have a regular or long term arrangement it only makes sense to be as up front as you can. As for the law, I don't think there's any real risk, unless there's something major happening.

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

wandering around giving out your real name while committing a crime.. smart.

Prostitution isn't illegal in Canada...

cat

 

[LikeRedHeads]

Prostitution isn't illegal in Canada...

cat

Yes but incalls are. The vast majority of this business in ottawa is incall. I think you also do incalls. So yes there is a non zero risk of getting caught (both sp and hobbyist); so it's up to the hobbyist to reveal his real name when he is "committing a crime". I don't want to go into the details but some people have had their phone numbers revealed to LE when one prostitute was caught. Each of us have their own level of comfort when it comes to revealing their identity, and even though the safety of the SP is a very reasonable reason, we don't have to "contribute" to it by giving away our privacy. You probably understand this since you are using a pseudo name.
There was a discussion on the pink board about revealing your full name (last and first name), yeah sure...And most of the SPs and the rosy hobbyists over there were for it of course!

 

[CapitalGuy]

Catherine St.Claire is a real name, just google it. Working with ones government name would simply assure that a woman who has worked as a prostitute would never be able to rent, let alone buy a home, have employment outside of this industry or maintain care and contact with her children in a separation. I have been outed and last fall I was declined employment at Tim Horton’s. I simply wanted something part time that got me out of the house but technically I am unemployable, considered unfit to pour coffee. I made it thru many levels of interviews with temp agencies, turned down as soon as they looked at my background. A work history, regardless of skill level, that involves the sex trade makes us undesirable, even to answer phones. We have a genuine need to protect our identities as best we can, and it's not limited to safety; many of us have families to support. Society shuns us on all levels.

I understand the question and the insinuation of the ask. In Canada it isn't illegal to use a pseudonym as long as there is no intent to defraud, which a reputable SP is not doing. She is simply trying to protect herself and her loved ones from a prejudice that our society isn’t ready to address. If an SP takes her business seriously then she realizes the need for total discretion when it comes to client confidentiality and will keep that trust at all costs. I've earned my stripes and proven myself on this front as anyone who knows me and my story can attest to. I realize here on TERB, SPs are expected to stay out of the fray and it wasn't my intention to challenge belief systems of the members. I'm not trying to pick an online fight here, simply trying to shed some light on an age old question and explain why it's important to be able to see both sides of the coin...

cat

And yet despite your first hand experience with mainstream society's treatment of people involved in the sex trade, you are counselling guys to use their real names with SPs? That is awful of you.

 

[MegansTouch]

Being found in a common bawdy-house is a crime, but you have to actually be found when police bust it. If you have visited an incall and left without being arrested, you are safe. Even if they have proof you visited the incall, you cannot be arrested after the fact. If you visit an incall and the police bust it, giving a fake name to the SP is not going to protect you. By the time the cops are there, you are SOL.

I think it's important to also make a distinction between the letter of the law and the practice of the law. The OPS is not actively busting incalls. Their focus is street prostitution. When was the last time any sex worker or client was charged in Ottawa in a case that did not involve underage girls, drugs, or human trafficking? Quite a few years, I think, but if I'm wrong please correct me!

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

And yet despite your first hand experience with mainstream society's treatment of people involved in the sex trade, you are counselling guys to use their real names with SPs? That is awful of you.

Counselling? I am not, simply offering my opinion as to why it is often required. Awful? I don't think so, I am simply stating why women who let absolute strangers enter the most vunerable parts of their body ask for verifyable information in order to ensure their safety. If you have even one female in your life that you love in any way, imagine her in our position for a moment please and ask yourself what you think she should do to keep herself safe. Unless of course you don't think prostitutes are women who deserve to be safe.

I agree with Megan, it's about the application of the law where you reside. Here in Ottawa most SPs would starve if they didn't offer incall. In many places verifications first order of business to ensure that the client isn't LE and incall is only offered to trusted long term guests...

cat

 

[too2shy]

Being found in a common bawdy-house is a crime, but you have to actually be found when police bust it. If you have visited an incall and left without being arrested, you are safe. Even if they have proof you visited the incall, you cannot be arrested after the fact. If you visit an incall and the police bust it, giving a fake name to the SP is not going to protect you. By the time the cops are there, you are SOL.

I think it's important to also make a distinction between the letter of the law and the practice of the law. The OPS is not actively busting incalls. Their focus is street prostitution. When was the last time any sex worker or client was charged in Ottawa in a case that did not involve underage girls, drugs, or human trafficking? Quite a few years, I think, but if I'm wrong please correct me!

You're wrong, and so is the bullshit comfort everyone is taking from their misunderstanding of the law.

You're forgetting a Chez-Nicole, Ms.Darquise Johnson. Now she was arrested, charged, etc, had she kept records, of names etc. The police could have seized them, they could have been entered in as evidence, the list could have been made public. It's happened in the states.. madames have been busted.. client lists made public..

how many guys here are happy to give their names to some random escort.. but don't want to tell their wife they're paying for sex with these random women? Well.. if a client list ever gets exposed would you rather have John Doe showing up on that list .. or your real name.

 

[too2shy]

Counselling? I am not, simply offering my opinion as to why it is often required. Awful? I don't think so, I am simply stating why women who let absolute strangers enter the most vunerable parts of their body ask for verifyable information in order to ensure their safety. If you have even one female in your life that you love in any way, imagine her in our position for a moment please and ask yourself what you think she should do to keep herself safe. Unless of course you don't think prostitutes are women who deserve to be safe.


cat

This is why I'm praying for the day it is legal. Then.. some health care stuff can be enforced as well. weekly checkups and blood tests. Girls wouldn't have to deal with pimps for protection, along with women having the ability to be safe, and call the cops when someone is being a dick.

Fuck.. even better, johns having to do a instant blood test before a session(it exists and is coming to consumer market in next few years)

 

[MegansTouch]

You're wrong, and so is the bullshit comfort everyone is taking from their misunderstanding of the law.

You're forgetting a Chez-Nicole, Ms.Darquise Johnson. Now she was arrested, charged, etc, had she kept records, of names etc. The police could have seized them, they could have been entered in as evidence, the list could have been made public. It's happened in the states.. madames have been busted.. client lists made public..

how many guys here are happy to give their names to some random escort.. but don't want to tell their wife they're paying for sex with these random women? Well.. if a client list ever gets exposed would you rather have John Doe showing up on that list .. or your real name.

I didn't say there are no concerns about giving your real name, I said that giving a fake name will not protect you from criminal charges. You cannot be charged for being in a common bawdy house after you've left, and giving a fake name to an SP will not protect you from criminal charges if the police choose to bust a place while you are inside. As far as I know, this has not happened in Ottawa in over 5 years (I'm excluding cases that include human trafficking and underage workers, which I am not entirely familiar with).

American laws and policing are completely different from Ottawa. If there are any relevant cases in Ottawa of a client getting busted for visiting an incall, I'd be very curious to read about this.

 

[Herbie]

Thank you all for sharing your views on this topic. I am quite pleased that the ladies have decided to provide their inputs. Thanks Cat and Megan!
I think it's important for everyone involved in this type of business to understand the concerns of both parties, so we can make it more enjoyable and safer for everyone.

I do agree that ability to check clients' background is very important for SPs safety, and I am all for it. I feel more comfortable knowing that an SP will at least try to avoid engaging with dangerous or unsafe clients, which makes me more comfortable.

But at the same time, revealing full names or personal telephone numbers can be quite risky for clients. As someone already mentioned, this type of business is not completely legal in Canada, and if an SP is charged or simply under investigation, all her clients/contacts can be drown into the whole mess. LE definitely have the authority and the power to investigate the clients too, if they decide to go for it. I am sure no client would like to be on that list when the sh.. hits the fan.

Cheers,
H

 

[LikeRedHeads]

Being a prostitute is a risky job like many others. Being a policeman in Canada is actually riskier than being prostitute (according to the crime stats) and being in the military is even riskier than being a policeman. Usually, the market compenstates for the risk involved and policemen are paid substantially higher than other non risky jobs for more or less the same type of qualifications. Prostitutes in more risky countries and in countries where prostitution is illegal are being compensated more than prostitutes in safer countries and in countries where prostitution is legal. Rates for prostitutes are high not because the "work" involved is difficult or necessitates a high level of education and qualification. At least 80% of the prostitute's rate is not to compensate her for opening her legs and being able to to give a BJ. Most of the rate is being forfeited for the risk involved in the profession. When the policeman chooses to be a policeman he is impliciitly accepting the risks of his profession. I can sympathize with him but it's his decision and nobody forced him to be a policeman. I think it is safe to say that for the majority of prostitutes in Canada, it is by choice (a smal minority is being forced into prostitution), and they are accepting the risks. If a prostitute wants a zero risk job she can choose another profession, but with a lower pay. So when a prostitute asks a client to reveal his identity to lower her risks, it is very legitimate, but the client does not have any incentive to do so because by doing so he is increasing his own risk. In economics, if you want to lower the risks you have to give away income (basis of all stock markets), but prostitutes are asking for a lower risk without changing their price structure; this will never happen and only a very very small fraction of clients will accept to increase their own risk in order to decrease the risk of the prostitute.
Most of this reasoning is found in scientific and social articles, and I am not inventing anything...

 

[too2shy]

Prostitution isn't illegal in Canada...

cat

No, but everything to do with it is.. talking to a SP about services is illegal.. 25years in the industry and you still don't know the basics?

"212. (1) Every one who

(a) procures, attempts to procure or solicits a person to have illicit sexual intercourse with another person, whether in or out of Canada,"

 

[Herbie]

Well said LRH :thumb:

Being a prostitute is a risky job like many others. Being a policeman in Canada is actually riskier than being prostitute (according to the crime stats) and being in the military is even riskier than being a policeman. Usually, the market compenstates for the risk involved and policemen are paid substantially higher than other non risky jobs for more or less the same type of qualifications. Prostitutes in more risky countries and in countries where prostitution is illegal are being compensated more than prostitutes in safer countries and in countries where prostitution is legal. Rates for prostitutes are high not because the "work" involved is difficult or necessitates a high level of education and qualification. At least 80% of the prostitute's rate is not to compensate her for opening her legs and being able to to give a BJ. Most of the rate is being forfeited for the risk involved in the profession. When the policeman chooses to be a policeman he is impliciitly accepting the risks of his profession. I can sympathize with him but it's his decision and nobody forced him to be a policeman. I think it is safe to say that for the majority of prostitutes in Canada, it is by choice (a smal minority is being forced into prostitution), and they are accepting the risks. If a prostitute wants a zero risk job she can choose another profession, but with a lower pay. So when a prostitute asks a client to reveal his identity to lower her risks, it is very legitimate, but the client does not have any incentive to do so because by doing so he is increasing his own risk. In economics, if you want to lower the risks you have to give away income (basis of all stock markets), but prostitutes are asking for a lower risk without changing their price structure; this will never happen and only a very very small fraction of clients will accept to increase their own risk in order to decrease the risk of the prostitute.
Most of this reasoning is found in scientific and social articles, and I am not inventing anything...

 

[Mod100]

No, but everything to do with it is.. talking to a SP about services is illegal.. 25years in the industry and you still don't know the basics?

"212. (1) Every one who

(a) procures, attempts to procure or solicits a person to have illicit sexual intercourse with another person, whether in or out of Canada,"

I wouldn't apply for the Mr. Congeniality award.

And posters wonder why some of the ladies don't like to post.

 

[too2shy]

I wouldn't apply for the Mr. Congeniality award.

And posters wonder why some of the ladies don't like to post.

I'm not applying for any awards. I have respect for Cat as a person, her knowledge of the law not withstanding. SPs deserve to be safe in their chosen profession, but on the flip side, so do clients. Catch 22.. its fucked.

There's some hope, the recent rulings may allow for SPs to function without fear. I guess we'll know in a couple years. Which relative to how long some people have been providing or hobbying is a relatively short period of time.

 

[Kubrickfan]

I respect a lady's right to request whatever information, including person information, that makes them feel comfortable. But there is no chance ... none ... that I am going to give my last name, or photo, or anything else that can personally identify me. That's a deal killer. I hope my terb and red board handle is enough, and I am happy to give some personal information (height, weight, etc.), but that's it.

 

[monkot]

I go by my porn star name: Dick Hardon :eyebrows:

I put my real name in a porn star name generator, and that's what came out. lol

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

My knowledge of the Canadian criminal code concerning prostitution is very clear. I know what areas in which I consider myself vulnerable and I make clear, concise and carefully measured decisions concerning my business to ensure I protect myself and my guests in terms of the practical application of the law in the areas I do business in...

cat

 

[KatyErotic]

Well Put Cat