Using TERB as leverage with SP’s – Unethical?
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Good grief
Stupid, yes. Unethical, what are you smoking?
Is it unethical to pay a woman for sex?
Is it unethical to take gross advantage of an immigrant's or a student's financial troubles that force them to prostitute themselves to pay their bills?
Is it unethical to share detailed reports on a woman's sexual performance, as though their provision of their most private and intimate faculties can be equated to the quality of service at a restaurant?
To most Canadians, the very fact the we even KNOW about an internet site that deals with prostitution makes all of us unethical sleazeballs. Full stop. To most Canadians, actually paying women for sex is a disgusting, perverted, desperate, UNETHICAL action. So all of us here on TERB already live in an unethical box; to further divide our actions into sub-categories is ridiculous. What we do with our prostitute friends is unethical; so who cares if we commit additional unethical acts while unethically paying them for sex? We're already creeps for paying cash for pussy. Do you really think that 19 year old cutie WANTS to be underneath a fat bald guy twice her age? Is it ethical to take advantage of our financial superiority over her? If we wanted to behave ethically, we would give the girl $250 and tell her to have a nice day, without first demanding sex from her.
That said, identifying yourself as a TERB member is probably dumb. But its no more unethical than paying the girl for her womanhood in the first place.
Stupid, yes. Unethical, what are you smoking?
Is it unethical to pay a woman for sex?
Is it unethical to take gross advantage of an immigrant's or a student's financial troubles that force them to prostitute themselves to pay their bills?
Is it unethical to share detailed reports on a woman's sexual performance, as though their provision of their most private and intimate faculties can be equated to the quality of service at a restaurant?
To most Canadians, the very fact the we even KNOW about an internet site that deals with prostitution makes all of us unethical sleazeballs. Full stop. To most Canadians, actually paying women for sex is a disgusting, perverted, desperate, UNETHICAL action. So all of us here on TERB already live in an unethical box; to further divide our actions into sub-categories is ridiculous. What we do with our prostitute friends is unethical; so who cares if we commit additional unethical acts while unethically paying them for sex? We're already creeps for paying cash for pussy. Do you really think that 19 year old cutie WANTS to be underneath a fat bald guy twice her age? Is it ethical to take advantage of our financial superiority over her? If we wanted to behave ethically, we would give the girl $250 and tell her to have a nice day, without first demanding sex from her.
That said, identifying yourself as a TERB member is probably dumb. But its no more unethical than paying the girl for her womanhood in the first place.
That is a bit too much
Hi bayisle66,
I think you are making several assumptions here. It's late and I neither want to make my post even more verbose than usual nor bore you and our readers. But here goes anyway ...
There can be a difference between what is considered ethical and what is considered moral, although in practice the concepts of ethics and morals tend to overlap. And even people who make a living out of ethics argue over the theories and approaches as to what is ethical. I'm not trying to regurgitate an introductory ethics textbook here; rather, I'm just saying that it is not so easy as to just dismiss every scenario in your post as unethical.
As a client, you are not responsible for the financial difficulties of a woman who chooses to be an SP of her own free will. It may be the last career choice on her list (and even that's an assumption) but it is still her decision. She could equally well choose to be unemployed and wait for a job at McDonalds to open up, or could choose to find work that is much lower paying. To extend your example, what about males who are students or immigrants? What should they do if they encounter financial problems? Is it unethical to accept their pizzas, burgers, or taxi-cab rides because that is what their financial problems have "forced" them to do? I don't pay the unemployed doctor from Kenya who delivers my pizza $200+ an hour, that's for sure.
Bizkit
Hi bayisle66,
I think you are making several assumptions here. It's late and I neither want to make my post even more verbose than usual nor bore you and our readers. But here goes anyway ...
There can be a difference between what is considered ethical and what is considered moral, although in practice the concepts of ethics and morals tend to overlap. And even people who make a living out of ethics argue over the theories and approaches as to what is ethical. I'm not trying to regurgitate an introductory ethics textbook here; rather, I'm just saying that it is not so easy as to just dismiss every scenario in your post as unethical.
I'd argue that, a priori, it is not intrinsically or fundamentally unethical to pay a woman for sex. As I wrote in a different thread, the automatic assumption that an SP is a victim is outdated all the way back to the Victorian era, and patronizing even if well-meaning. Yes, we still have victims of the sex-trade today in 2006. These are called EE ladies. I'd say the same holds true for street-walkers and some MP ladies. But independent providers are by no means victims simply by virtue of being an SP.bayisle66 said:
As a client, you are not responsible for the financial difficulties of a woman who chooses to be an SP of her own free will. It may be the last career choice on her list (and even that's an assumption) but it is still her decision. She could equally well choose to be unemployed and wait for a job at McDonalds to open up, or could choose to find work that is much lower paying. To extend your example, what about males who are students or immigrants? What should they do if they encounter financial problems? Is it unethical to accept their pizzas, burgers, or taxi-cab rides because that is what their financial problems have "forced" them to do? I don't pay the unemployed doctor from Kenya who delivers my pizza $200+ an hour, that's for sure.
I also don't think that reviews are automatically unethical. A good review is, basically, a performance appraisal. It's a customer report and is fundamentally no different from any other profession, job, or service where customers exchange information about providers. People talk all the time about which doctors/teachers/car dealerships/computer shops/etc. they like and why, and simply because the service here is sex doesn't change the fact that it is a business transaction - fee for service. It is us who makes it more intimate than it is, because that is what sex is all about. But from that alone, one can't conclude that ethical conduct has been violated. Yes, it is a more private (and infinitely more powerful) act than buying a computer, I'm not that detached, ya know! Still, for the SP it is a job, so there is always an effort to remove (in her mind, at least) the intimacy and emotional gravity that normally comes with sex. We don't have to worry about that part, having the luxury to either view the session as fulfilling a basic (and oh so pleasurable) biological imperative that manifests itself as an overwhelming drive to get laid, or lose yourself in the fantasy of intimacy and love, or anywhere in-between on that spectrum.bayisle66 said:
I don't give a s**t what most Canadians think. Judging by the number of people on TERB I think there are many more hobbyists out there than we might initially assume. Everyone has secrets and everyone has done something they regret - I don't think most Canadians are in a position to judge me. If all I've done wrong in life is pay an independent, professional businesswoman A LOT of money to have sex with me, in a pre-arranged and non-coercive transaction, all the while behaving with duly appropriate behaviour and respecting her wishes and limits, then my conscience is clean.bayisle66 said:
I am not forcing "that 19-year old cutie" to have sex with me, nor am I forcing her to be in the business. If someone else is, and exploiting her for their own benefit, then yes that's unethical. But if that 19-year-old cutie chooses to place an ad in the RedZone and rent an apartment with a "co-worker", then it's fair game. It is not my fault that she now realizes how unglamourous and difficult the SP business really is. If she had free will in choosing this business, she equally has free will to leave. It is not my fault if, despite how awful it is to have sex with me, she still participates in the business for the money. She is not getting nothing for the disgusting and disturbing act of having sex with me - she is getting compensated financially. Lots of jobs have unpleasant elements. Do you think fry cooks like cleaning out the grease trap? Do cops like being in a gunfight? Do construction guys like working when it is hot and humid? Do doctors enjoy seeing disgusting oozing skin lesions? Do you? Do nurses like changing adult diapers? No, but they all do it, because it's their job. And even for doctors, the hourly rate is not always $250 per hour in cash, tax free. "Financial superiority" has nothing to do with it. As with any service, if you can't afford the fee, you don't get the service.bayisle66 said:
It is not always ethical to just give someone money. It may be nice, kind, and altruistic. If the person is in immediate and severe trouble, it may be the right thing to do to keep them alive. But there is no ethical argument to simply giving any person money at any time. With SPs, it is not a "demand" for sex. It is a transaction whose terms are implicitly acknowleged before any sex takes place - there is a fee for this sex I am about to provide you. If the terms are met, the service is provided. If the provider wishes to cease offering the service, she may do so at any time by ceasing to advertise and shutting down her business operation (assuming she is not an EE, etc.)bayisle66 said:
Bizkit
Some killer black hash. Humm, odd question.bayisle66 said:
Ohhh, so you're one of the guys that pay, I never encountered one before. Yeah, the girls were saying they charge dense unattractive guys with low self esteem and a guilt complex to pay the freight. Well, I guess all I can say is THANKS!bayisle66 said:
