US will be taking name in Jerusalem vote...most dickish admin in history?
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Your blaming the victim is really quite offensive.Stop trying to justify terrorism against children.
Illegal settlers, who according to international law have no right to be there, went on an armed 'hike' to prove their newfound manliness on Palestinian land.
That's an aggressive act, an act of junior 'colonizing' or stealing of land like the settlers who moved in on tents noted above.
Both of those are war crimes according to the Geneva Convention.
Palestinians tried to defend themselves from this aggression, and I note that you still refuse to accept that Palestinians have the right to self defence.
In response the trespassers shot a civilian farmer, on his land.
The aggression here is from the 'settlers'.
You have stated you're against colonizing land.
But here you are acting as if its not a problem or not happening.I officially and formally declare that I hereby call for an end to settlement building.
You really are against the two state solution and peace, aren't you?
You're the one who is saying it is okay to attack children (what you have described as terrorism) for walking near a Palestinian village. It's just like when you justified attacks on Arab Jews because other Jews were legally buying land.Your blaming the victim is really quite offensive....
You posting history makes it quite clear that you are not interested in peace or human rights but simply the elimination of Israel and removal of the Jews you see as trespassing in the middle east.
What you're saying is that while you have made a call to end all settlements, its still ok for illegal squatters to take minors out in what is either a) a foreign country under brutal military occupation or b) a brutal apartheid regime. And that as brutal military occupiers/overlords/apartheid rulers, they should feel free to trod over anyones homes looking for future settlement area free from worry about the downtrodden natives defending themselves against occupiers/apartheid rulers.You're the one who is saying it is okay to attack children (what you have described as terrorism) for walking near a Palestinian village. It's just like when you justified attacks on Arab Jews because other Jews were legally buying land.
Sounds to me that you should have taken your angst out in the following order:
1) the occupation/apartheid rule - for making the native population rebel
2) the idiotic Israeli who thinks its ok to take children out to sightsee future colonization while the natives still live there
More important here, is that in this incident you see the crime as rocks being thrown at children and ignore the fact that those same Israelis shot and murdered a civilian farmer who was working on his land. Its as if you see Palestinians as subhuman, you have a total disregard for them as humans.
That's really disgusting.
Yes, Israel should stop settlement expansion and the Palestinians should accept Israel's existence and negotiate the eventual borders. But that has absolutely nothing to do with your justification of terror attacks on kids and drivers simply for being in the West Bank.What you're saying is that while you have made a call to end all settlements, its still ok for....
And you should take your angst on the factions on BOTH sides that refuse to accept peace.
p.s. I clearly stated that the Palestinians who attacked the kids should be arrested for terrorism and the Israeli who shot the Palestinian should be charged for negligent homicide.
Yes, Israel should stop settlement expansion and the Palestinians should accept Israel's existence and negotiate the eventual borders. But that has absolutely nothing to do with your justification of terror attacks on kids and drivers simply for being in the West Bank.
More important here, is that in this incident you see the crime as rocks being thrown at children and ignore the fact that those same Israelis shot and murdered a civilian farmer who was working on his land. Its as if you see Palestinians as subhuman, you have a total disregard for them as humans.
That's really disgusting.
The fact that you ignore the Palestinian terrorism that incited the incident is the disgusting part.More important here, is that in this incident you see the crime as rocks being thrown at children and ignore the fact that those same Israelis shot and murdered a civilian farmer who was working on his land. Its as if you see Palestinians as subhuman, you have a total disregard for them as humans.
That's really disgusting.
Also disgusting is your pathetic attempt to cast people who disagree with you as immoral as you are constantly promoting violence.
You are ignoring the fact that the illegal settlers were trespassing as the incitement here.The fact that you ignore the Palestinian terrorism that incited the incident is the disgusting part.
More important here, is that in this incident you see the crime as rocks being thrown at children and ignore the fact that those same Israelis shot and murdered a civilian farmer who was working on his land. Its as if you see Palestinians as subhuman, you have a total disregard for them as humans.
That's really disgusting.
Speaking of disgusting, I am amazed that you claim walking in disputed territory justifies terrorism.You are ignoring the fact that the illegal settlers were trespassing as the incitement here.....
I'm amazed that you think Palestinians have no right to self defence on their own lands.Speaking of disgusting, I am amazed that you claim walking in disputed territory justifies terrorism.
Why is it?
I'm not at all surprised that you call residents trying to stop trespassers 'terrorism' when they throw rocks to defend their land.
Do you consider them sub-human and not deserving of the right to self defence?
Here's a chance for basketcase to clarify where he stands.
He has said:
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779727
And Abbas has announced a plan to get the EU and other countries to recognize Palestine based on the 1967 borders.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-1.833395
If basketcase really supports the two state solution and is against new settlements he will state he is against the Israeli moves and for Abbas' moves.
He has said:
Israel just announced more settlements.I officially and formally declare that I hereby call for an end to settlement building.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779727
And Abbas has announced a plan to get the EU and other countries to recognize Palestine based on the 1967 borders.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-1.833395
If basketcase really supports the two state solution and is against new settlements he will state he is against the Israeli moves and for Abbas' moves.
I am against settlement expansion.Here's a chance for basketcase to clarify where he stands.
He has said:
Israel just announced more settlements.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779727
And Abbas has announced a plan to get the EU and other countries to recognize Palestine based on the 1967 borders.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-1.833395
If basketcase really supports the two state solution and is against new settlements he will state he is against the Israeli moves and for Abbas' moves.
I am also against Abbas trying to avoid negotiations. According to the UN, the only solution is a negotiated peace based on the armistice lines with land swaps.
Sorry but you are the one who said throwing rocks is terrorism (at least when Jews do it).I'm amazed that you think Palestinians have no right to self defence on their own lands.
Why is it?
I'm not at all surprised that you call residents trying to stop trespassers 'terrorism' when they throw rocks to defend their land.
And no country in the world allows people to throw rocks at people walking near their village. Those kids were not attacking anyone so you claims of 'self defence' are just excusing racist violence. All you are doing is justifying violence against Jews.
Do you constant lies make you feel better about your support for terrorism?Do you consider them sub-human and not deserving of the right to self defence?
Throwing rocks at civilians as a means of political action is terrorism.Sorry but you are the one who said throwing rocks is terrorism (at least when Jews do it).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/settl...illage-after-palestinians-stone-israeli-cars/
Throwing rocks at armed civilians who are trespassing on one's property is not terrorism.
Throwing rocks at armed forces who are occupying your land is not terrorism.
Its not the rock throwing that makes it terrorism.
Do you think you should or shouldn't be allowed to throw rocks at someone who decided to take a walk, fully armed, in your kitchen?
Thank you for admitting that the regular attacks on Jewish civilians in the West Bank are terrorism.Throwing rocks at civilians as a means of political action is terrorism....
To be accurate, they were walking in public property near Palestinian homes. And if you attacked someone walking near your yard, you would be up on criminal charges for assault. If it was shown your attack was based on their religion it would be a hate crime....
Do you think you should or shouldn't be allowed to throw rocks at someone who decided to take a walk, fully armed, in your kitchen?
What 'regular attacks'?Thank you for admitting that the regular attacks on Jewish civilians in the West Bank are terrorism.
The only regular attacks we've noted here are the attacks on Palestinian civilians who protest against an illegal occupation of their home and apartheid rule.
Funny how you don't think those attacks on civilians are terrorism.
According to this account, the trespassing Israeli settler shot the farmer working on his land, with his six year old child, first.To be accurate, they were walking in public property near Palestinian homes. And if you attacked someone walking near your yard, you would be up on criminal charges for assault. If it was shown your attack was based on their religion it would be a hate crime.
Then and only then did Palestinians come and throw rocks to chase them away.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...ot-dead-israeli-settlers-171130192826712.htmlHowever, Yariv Mohar, a spokesperson for the activist group Rabbis for Human Rights, quoted Palestinian witnesses as saying Odeh was shot after an altercation with settlers while caring for his olive groves with his six-year-old son.
After Odeh was shot, his son called another resident in the village, prompting other Palestinians to arrive on the scene and throw rocks at the Israelis in an attempt to push them out of the area, the group said.
At this time the armed Israeli opened fire again, injuring another Palestinian.
The Israeli army spokesperson said the "travellers entrenched themselves in a cave near the village" until soldiers evacuated them from the area. Attacks you have labelled as terrorism.
Rock throwing appears to be their only defence against Israeli terrorism.
The article also notes that Palestinians have to use rocks to defend themselves since neither the IDF or PA will, and that illegal settlers regularly attack them.
BBC also notes that while the IDF claims that this farmer was the one to throw stones first all Palestinian reports say that the illegal settlers ordered the farmer to move and when he didn't they shot him.In the absence of any protection from the Israeli army or the PA, some villages must take security into their own hands to defend their communities. It's common for Palestinians to throw rocks at Israelis on their land as such incursions often result in attacks on the village.
The trauma of settler violence in the community runs deep. According to the United Nations, settlers have uprooted hundreds of the village's olive trees and have torched its mosque.
Settlers from the Esh Kodesh outpost have long carried out so-called "price-tag" attacks on the village.
Abd al-Atheem said the settlers have also killed a number of the residents' sheep and demolished the village's water wells.
In 2011, Odeh's nephew was killed by an Israeli soldier after attempting to stop settlers from uprooting his olive trees.
"We live a very difficult life here," Atheem said. "Each one of my sons could use 10 psychologists."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42179318A Palestinian Authority official disputed the Israeli military's account of the incident.
Ghassan Daghlas told the Associated Press that Mr Odeh had been at work when a group of settlers trespassed on to his land and then ordered him to move. When Mr Odeh refused, one of them shot him, Mr Daghlas added.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the killing of Mr Odeh, calling it a "cowardly act and evidence to the world of the ugly crimes conducted by settlers against unarmed Palestinians".
The BBC's Tom Bateman in Jerusalem says tensions between settlers and Palestinians in the occupied West Bank have been on the rise.
A UN agency that monitors incidents said earlier this year that an increase in settler violence had occurred alongside a major rise in Palestinian attacks against Israelis, the vast majority of which involved stone-throwing at vehicles.
Alarby also reports that the trespassing settlers shot first.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/N...led-after-confrontation-with-Israeli-settlersA Palestinian in the occupied West Bank was shot dead by an Israeli settler on Thursday.
Palestinians identified the man as 47-year-old Mahmoud Zaal Odeh, killed in the occupied Palestinian village of Qusra, south of the city of Nablus.
Palestinian Authority official Ghassan Daghlas said Odeh was working on his land when he was confronted by some 20 settlers who were hiking through the village.
Daghlas said the settlers ordered him to move and when he refused, one of them shot him in the chest.
But the Israeli military claims that Odeh was shot after "throwing stones" and "lightly wounding two settlers," during the confrontation.
The Israeli military has said it is looking into Odeh’s murder.
Palestinian farmers are often targets of Israeli settler aggression, with them commonly attacking Palestinians tending their land. During the autumn olive harvesting season, Palestinian farmers are at even greater risk.
Read also: Israel is uprooting West Bank's future
Towards the end of last month, Israeli settlers poisoned and stole olives from Palestinian land in the Qalqiliya village of Jit in the occupied West Bank.
When the Palestinian farmers arrived to tend to their olives, they realised that a large amount of the fully grown trees were poisoned after being sprayed with toxic chemicals.
Israeli settlers are known for their violence against the native Palestinian population – not even sparing children from their aggression.
Israeli settlers attacked a number of Palestinians homes with rocks and pepper-sprayed two children, causing them severe suffocation on Friday in the occupied city of Hebron earlier this month.
In October, a seven-year-old Palestinian girl was hospitalised after settlers threw stones at her family's car in the occupied city. The stones and glass hit her face, leaving her with multiple injuries.
Same with PNN.
http://english.pnn.ps/2017/11/30/22478/
Same with MEMO.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171130-israel-settlers-kill-palestinian-farmer/A Palestinian farmer was shot dead by Israeli settlers today while he was working on his land near the village of Qusra, to the south of Nablus in the northern occupied West Bank, according to local sources.
An official who monitors settlement activity in the northern West Bank told Ma’an that Israeli settlers from the illegal Yash Kod settlement outpost raided Palestinian land near Qusra and attacked a farmer, Mahmoud Ahmad Zaal Odeh, 48, as he was working the land.
According to locals, Odeh attempted to prevent the settlers from entering his land, at which point the settlers opened fire on him, shooting him in the chest. He succumbed to his wounds a short time after.
Another Palestinian identified as Fayez Fathi Hasan, 47, was injured in the leg by the settlers’ fire.
Basically, every report says the trespassing illegal settlers shot a farmer on his land because he wouldn't move out of the way, with the only dissenting claims coming from the IDF, who are not a legit news source or even remotely unbiased as they are the illegal occupying force.
This is just as evil as the attack on Ahed Tamimi and her family, and just as evil as the shooting of the wheelchair bound protester.
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Which have been refuted by actual news organizations.According to this account, the trespassing Israeli settler shot the farmer working on his land, ...r.
Like you, the article is just justifying violence as huge number of the attacks are against civilian vehicles.The article also notes that Palestinians have to use rocks to defend themselves since neither the IDF or PA will, and that illegal settlers regularly attack them.
A list from Jan to September 2017What 'regular attacks'?....
Over 2000 stone throwing attacks, almost 500 fire bomb attacks in 9 months.
In January 2017: 3 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 9 shootings; 2 ramming attack, 9 roadside bombs/grenades; 293 stone-throwing attacks, 44 Molotov cocktails.
In February 2017: 1 stabbing or attempted stabbing; 5 shootings; 1 ramming attack, 7 roadside bombs/grenades; 260 stone-throwing attacks, 53 Molotov cocktails
In March 2017: 10 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 3 shootings; 1 ramming attack, 2 roadside bombs/grenades; 243 stone-throwing attacks, 62 Molotov cocktails.
In April 2017: 7 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 5 shootings; 2 ramming attacks, 4 roadside bombs/grenades; 218 stone-throwing attacks, 40 Molotov cocktails.
In May 2017: 9 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 6 roadside bombs/grenades; 284 stone-throwing attacks, 63 Molotov cocktails; no shootings or ramming attacks.
In June 2017: 5 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 6 roadside bombs/grenades; 131 stone-throwing attacks, 27 Molotov cocktails; 4 shootings; no ramming attacks.
In July 2017: 5 stabbings or attempted stabbings; 14 roadside bombs/grenades; 210 stone-throwing attacks, 61 Molotov cocktails; 6 shootings; 2 ramming attacks.
In August 2017: 3 stabbings/attempted stabbings; 7 roadside bombs/grenades; 128 stone-throwing attacks, 23 Molotov cocktails; 1 shooting; no ramming attacks.
In September 2017: 1 stabbing/attempted stabbing; 5 roadside bombs/grenades; 135 stone-throwing attacks, 27 Molotov cocktails; 1 shooting; no ramming attacks
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Wave-of-terror-October-2015.aspx
