The Senate has not allowed the gun amendment to pass, even though 90%+ of Americans supported it. The lies from the NRA have left their mark. Something is broken in the US.
US Senate Wimps Out
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Must say I'm very surprised.
I don't believe it would do what its supporters felt it would, but neither was it something I couldn't live with.
Now perhaps mental health can be discussed. While most people with mental illnesses do not commit violent crimes, it is true that almost all perpetrators of mass shootings and stabbings in the past decade have had mental illnesses.
I don't believe it would do what its supporters felt it would, but neither was it something I couldn't live with.
Now perhaps mental health can be discussed. While most people with mental illnesses do not commit violent crimes, it is true that almost all perpetrators of mass shootings and stabbings in the past decade have had mental illnesses.
Let's all agree you have to be a little crazy to let loose on a theatre full of people or a class room of kids, but the mental issue was a side show to deflect the bills passing. Pass this first then work on the mental health issue. One Newtown parent spoke first at the announcement before the POTUS, and politely ripped the Senators anew one for placing their own interests of getting re-elected ahead of the amendments.
Senate rejects attempt to ban semi-automatic assault rifles
Washington (CNN) -- In a major defeat for supporters of tougher gun laws, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday defeated a compromise plan to expand background checks on firearms sales as well as a proposal to ban some semi-automatic weapons modeled after military assault weapons.
The votes were on a series of amendments to a broad package of gun laws pushed by President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in the aftermath of the Newtown school massacre in December.
However, fierce opposition by the powerful National Rifle Association led a backlash by conservative Republicans and some Democrats from pro-gun states that doomed some of the major proposals in the gun package.
blindliberal • 16 hours ago
I think its sad that we the people have to lose our fundamental rights just because a few lunatics commit acts of terror. Every time a tragedy happens in this country people are so quick to point fingers that we rush to create laws that would have done nothing to prevent these tragedies in the first place.
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Weston Moss blindliberal • 10 hours ago
When a drunk driver crashes into a schoolbus and kills a bunch of kids, we don't have a national dialogue about banning motor vehicles, or banning alcohol. And there are already laws against drunk driving.
But when someone kills a bunch of kids with a gun instead of a motor vehicle, there's this national call for action.
I wonder, could it have anything to do with the fact that you can't fight tyranny with a car?
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DeltaFunk0 Weston Moss • 8 hours ago
Yes! That last line is important. I don't think enough people get that. I think the car comparison is the most frequently-used comparison with guns lately. Alcohol is used too. We banned alcohol, it didn't work, and then we un-banned it and pretended the whole prohibition thing never happened. Can you imagine how badly a gun prohibition would fail? And it's not even like alcohol is used for defense. Can you imagine having to be a police officer and go door to door collecting guns? The entire reason we had to enact our first gun control bill was because of prohibition and gangsters! Prohibition of alcohol and guns have never worked, and they won't ever. All they do is make people break the law more.
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Bobsomeguy DeltaFunk0 • 3 hours ago
You fight gun violence by fighting the cause, not the tools.
Washington (CNN) -- In a major defeat for supporters of tougher gun laws, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday defeated a compromise plan to expand background checks on firearms sales as well as a proposal to ban some semi-automatic weapons modeled after military assault weapons.
The votes were on a series of amendments to a broad package of gun laws pushed by President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in the aftermath of the Newtown school massacre in December.
However, fierce opposition by the powerful National Rifle Association led a backlash by conservative Republicans and some Democrats from pro-gun states that doomed some of the major proposals in the gun package.
blindliberal • 16 hours ago
I think its sad that we the people have to lose our fundamental rights just because a few lunatics commit acts of terror. Every time a tragedy happens in this country people are so quick to point fingers that we rush to create laws that would have done nothing to prevent these tragedies in the first place.
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Weston Moss blindliberal • 10 hours ago
When a drunk driver crashes into a schoolbus and kills a bunch of kids, we don't have a national dialogue about banning motor vehicles, or banning alcohol. And there are already laws against drunk driving.
But when someone kills a bunch of kids with a gun instead of a motor vehicle, there's this national call for action.
I wonder, could it have anything to do with the fact that you can't fight tyranny with a car?
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DeltaFunk0 Weston Moss • 8 hours ago
Yes! That last line is important. I don't think enough people get that. I think the car comparison is the most frequently-used comparison with guns lately. Alcohol is used too. We banned alcohol, it didn't work, and then we un-banned it and pretended the whole prohibition thing never happened. Can you imagine how badly a gun prohibition would fail? And it's not even like alcohol is used for defense. Can you imagine having to be a police officer and go door to door collecting guns? The entire reason we had to enact our first gun control bill was because of prohibition and gangsters! Prohibition of alcohol and guns have never worked, and they won't ever. All they do is make people break the law more.
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Bobsomeguy DeltaFunk0 • 3 hours ago
You fight gun violence by fighting the cause, not the tools.
The USA is FUCKED UP!!!!
This is a very sad day for America.....
This is a perfect case of what I have always maintained, namely that the right wins because they hire the BEST fear-mongers and BEST well paid LIARS money can buy!!!
What the NRA did was a prime example of this!
NRA at the behest of the Merchants of Death in the Arms Industry used blatant bald faced LIES, to put the rights of criminals, mentally unstable psychos, along with their own borderline paranoid schizoid retarded members, to get ANY firearms they want without even any backup checks, ABOVE protecting Americans and American children lives!!!
The NRA (AKA National RETARDS ASSociation) is truly despicable, devoid of ANY conscience and common sense!!!!.....
This is a very sad day for America.....
This is a perfect case of what I have always maintained, namely that the right wins because they hire the BEST fear-mongers and BEST well paid LIARS money can buy!!!
What the NRA did was a prime example of this!
NRA at the behest of the Merchants of Death in the Arms Industry used blatant bald faced LIES, to put the rights of criminals, mentally unstable psychos, along with their own borderline paranoid schizoid retarded members, to get ANY firearms they want without even any backup checks, ABOVE protecting Americans and American children lives!!!
The NRA (AKA National RETARDS ASSociation) is truly despicable, devoid of ANY conscience and common sense!!!!.....
This is going to be a MAJOR tool for the Democrats come mid terms.An even bigger one if there is another mass shooting before then and mental illness is involved , it was documented and he got the guns legally.Probably the worst"I know who's paying me" examples I've seen since I began following politics.This is certainly a black hat day for members of the Republican senate.
While I don't have a problem with not allowing the mentally ill to own firearms, the lefties in California trying to bring that assault rifle ban that expired in 2004 back in again was a sneaky first step in trying to water down the right to bear arms. The NRA was right to try to lobby to defeat it - that is why I and so many others give money to the NRA.
The shooter at the CT school shooting stole his weapons from his mother. A new enhanced background check for mental illness would not have prevented his mother from legally owning her guns, nor would it have prevented her mentally ill son from stealing them to use. As I said, I support keeping guns from mentally ill people, but it would have done nothing to prevent the CT school shooting.
The requiring of gun shows to run background checks on purchases I do not support, at least in the Florida context, as this is the only was for consumers to truly be anonymous gun owners. While police forces in Florida are required to destroy all records of having done a background check for gun owners prior to delivery (to prevent the state having an unofficial gun registry compiled from background check data), one could always wonder if that always happens. By purchasing a gun shows (as thousands of law-abiding south Florida residents legally do each year) one can keep one's decision to be a gun owner completely to oneself at all times. Only if one wants a concealed carry permit does one require a state permit. To keep a gun in one's home or car requires no permit. I think this is a better system than in Canada.
The shooter at the CT school shooting stole his weapons from his mother. A new enhanced background check for mental illness would not have prevented his mother from legally owning her guns, nor would it have prevented her mentally ill son from stealing them to use. As I said, I support keeping guns from mentally ill people, but it would have done nothing to prevent the CT school shooting.
The requiring of gun shows to run background checks on purchases I do not support, at least in the Florida context, as this is the only was for consumers to truly be anonymous gun owners. While police forces in Florida are required to destroy all records of having done a background check for gun owners prior to delivery (to prevent the state having an unofficial gun registry compiled from background check data), one could always wonder if that always happens. By purchasing a gun shows (as thousands of law-abiding south Florida residents legally do each year) one can keep one's decision to be a gun owner completely to oneself at all times. Only if one wants a concealed carry permit does one require a state permit. To keep a gun in one's home or car requires no permit. I think this is a better system than in Canada.
And the NRA (AKA National RETARDS ASSociation) gives this their blessing!!!!......
It certainly SHOULD BE!!!!
>90% of REAL Americans WANT SOMETHING DONE to stop the gun carnage the NRA seems to support!!!
REAL Americans are disgusted with these shrill obstructionist paranoid AmeriKKKans who are nothing more than tools of Arms Industry!....
Needless to say they will attempt to use it as an issue.
However, I'm not sure that it will be. As the expression goes "all politics are local," what matters is what the voters in your state feel. Some Republicans voted for it, some Democrats voted against it. National polling results may be interesting, but are not a particularly good way of predicting political results in the U.S.A.
As it was pointed out yesterday, some people keep saying America is divided on this gun issue. Bullshit, 90%+ say it there should be expanded background checks.
First most people are not single issue voters. Next, the 90 percent number is not people saying this must be done, rather people saying I would agree with doing this.
Now who's splitting hairs. They support it, period. You really think that they don't want it done now?
Question for the US legal/constitution experts here: I know states often have a sort of referendum on various issues at election time. Could there be a federal version of that? Could the House/Senate/White House ask for a national vote on this (or any other) issue?
